Yeah okay you guys got me :ermm: but don't think that I don't intend to buy VB. It looks pretty good from what I've seen but I want to get the real lowdown on the product and reading marketing fluff off of the VB homepage isn't the way to do it (yeah I'm a skeptic and even a bit of a pessimist). I just want to make sure that VB runs on my server, to my liking, with my hacks before I give up my hard earned cash (especially since I don't have that much hard earned cash to give up). Cheers!