So, I have been pondering how to reply to this - my apologies in advance for any offense I cause. Whether or not I am accurate, I have no clue, but the optics on this....is another matter.
You're a great guy, so I don't mean this personally but of what has been indicated is that you are one of only two remaining on the team, for now. Yet, at the same time, just about every other person here has called VB / IB out on their turd of a choice - you are the only one here who is arguing their side / defending them.
I am not saying that it is the case, but the optics look like you're the one person staying on, and doing their bidding. They have you staying on, and the puppet masters are pulling the strings already. That is a very harsh line to say if I am wrong, so if I am I sincerely apologize but just look at the way it looks. Do they care about the position it likely leaves you in now? I think we all know that they don't. No matter whether it is accurate or not, you are now being left out there to hang because the perception is now likely worse than the reality. The way forums operate, it will be difficult to salvage a reputation out of this.
Bidding? I'm sure glad those resigning know me and know that is not the case! I joined this community to be helpful from day one and nothing has ever changed about that, I can't just leave the ORG, that would mean I'd be losing all of the people listed above AND all of you! I'm still here but don't think I may not change my mind, everyone has a right to change their mind and their opinions as they see fit.
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Originally Posted by ChloeDione
You said that you didn't want this to turn into an IB / VB bash fest - what did you expect? For people to agree with the decision? People to respectfully disagree and continue to spend on licenses, support and additional software?
Like you said, you are depressed about this, which is totally understandable? The fact that everyone else is, and angry seems reasonable (for them) to be allowed to air their grievance, no? Their hurt and depression is just as (if not more) recognizable / to be recognized as anyone else.
I know that it is not my place to ask this, but you said that you simply wouldn't allow it to continue - so I guess I would ask other staff to leave it to your call. If you think my post is so out of line, remove it. If you think that I am not worthy to remain here, boot me. At this point TLS, you can be the arbitrator given that just about everyone else cannot stomach what IB is doing to VB yet you are telling everyone not to bash them. By all means, everyone can accept that it is not your or anyone else to blame on the VBorg staff.
At the same time though, please let the users who paid for this software air their displeasure at the decision. After all, it is only in defense of those of you that are admins and mods on here that everyone is so angry ; not for themselves, but for you.
I think you misunderstood, so did Omnibus by referring to my bashfest comment - Basically don't come in here saying vB4 is dead, well yeah guys we're on vB5 right now what do you expect vB4 to be, in development? Don't come in here and say vB5 sucks or is crap, that is a matter of opinion and perspective just like all of you being upset over this and while I wasn't too happy when it first hit vB5 has shown major improvements, its stable, and does a fantastic job as forum software. Being upset and venting in a constructive manner by being positive and saying thanks to those leaving for all their years of service is an entirely different story. Voice your opinion sure but try to keep it clean and focused properly is all I wanted done, to see this thread more as a farewell to those we love than something negative, hope that clarifies .
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TLS, I have to ask you (not meaning to be flippant) but if Paul is not re-instated to the role(s) that he held previously, what other possible outcome could there be other than, "the end"?
Well that depends on what vBulletin decides next, I'm not sure what the outcome of this will be at this point. I'd love to see the ORG stay open, some new staff come in that way it doesn't die, if vb.com continues w/ the "ask on the org for customization" or similar the org will still be needed for those customers thinking outside the box.
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It is in the love that everyone feels for all of you that some of this ill temper and grief is coming out. Because nobody thinks that it is fair the way that you have been treated. More than any money that any of us have put into the site, it is the love for you as people that has indeed hurt so many ; not because of anything that you have done but because seeing someone you care about being treated so badly is going to hurt, no matter who you are.
Aye ya I hear you there but again back to my comment above ^ where it needs to be constructive more than bashing and I was more referring to the product itself. If you look at past threads, we've always allowed opinions just not bashing.
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Originally Posted by ChloeDione
Again, if I have inaccurately portrayed any of this, my apologies and if you think my post rises to the level of IB bashing that you talk of, then please do remove it / and or me if you see the need, but please, you make the call. If you think my message is out of line, then you make the call.
You did but guess what? You perceived what you thought I was thinking, we can always believe someone thinks one thing but never know until we ask, thanks for asking and I hope my replies helped you see more how I was looking at this.
Edit: Meanwhile I still continue to see Lynne, Paul, and others posting replies and being helpful, thanks for truly staying until the end!
07-05-2017, 10:32 PM
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