Angry .Orgers

[Lea Verou]

Originally Posted by plubius

Mayhap, you are not looking hard enough.

Oh yes I am. I never found an instance of the rule that you claimed.

It may help you to re-read what I have written.

I did and it still looks stupid (no offense mate, but that's what I thought about it). In fact you are suggesting that he releases his hacks for free and only charge for support. Well, the guy OBVIOUSLY doesn't want to release his hacks for free, and personally I think he's right. Some hacks just don't deserve being released for free. You can't put days or even months of coding in a hack to make it perfect and full of features and release it for free. I've seen a significant difference in paid hacks in terms of quality, support, bugs.

Your words are kind of scorchy. They wouldn't be flame incognito, eh?

Why would somebody flame you? :laugh:

Please everyone refrain from making this thread turn violent. I'm sure we can all have a mature debate without any arguements breaking out...

[plubius]

Originally Posted by Loukrhtia

Oh yes I am. I never found an instance of the rule that you claimed.



I did and it still looks stupid (no offense mate, but that's what I thought about it). In fact you are suggesting that he releases his hacks for free and only charge for support. Well, the guy OBVIOUSLY doesn't want to release his hacks for free, and personally I think he's right. Some hacks just don't deserve being released for free. You can't put days or even months of coding in a hack to make it perfect and full of features and release it for free. I've seen a significant difference in paid hacks in terms of quality, support, bugs.



Why would somebody flame you? :laugh:

In fact, your very reply above shows your very own stupidity. I have always heard it is unwise to argue with a fool, so ignore is the place for your type.

Originally Posted by Danny.VBT

Please everyone refrain from making this thread turn violent. I'm sure we can all have a mature debate without any arguements breaking out...

I am trying, m8, but some people just don't know how to debate without arguing. It is easy if you cannot defeat someone's argument to just twist it around. In any regard I have her on ignore.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Danny.VBT

Please everyone refrain from making this thread turn violent. I'm sure we can all have a mature debate without any arguements breaking out...

This has been said to many times already. We will not let the few spoil it for the rest of the guys that are conducting themselves properly in this thread.

Please think before you post, or you may find that your posting rights have been removed for a peroid of time decided by the staff.

Please don't make us have to go down that road.

[smacklan]

I just bought a brand free version of your cart Geek...woohoo :banana:

[Boofo]

Why is it the only ones who can see any benefit for allowing paid hacks here are those wishing to make a quick buck? If you really "care" about the users here as most of you claim, why is making the almighty dollar such a big issue? You seem to be doing all right selling your stuff on other sites, why do you need to use the org to beneift yourselves even more?

You all claim that you need to be compensated for all of your "hard work". There are others here that have done some very good hacks that have never asked for anything monitary in return. Do you really believe they have less hours in the day than all of you do? They have families/jobs, etc., too.

One major hack that comes to mind is Lesane's Store Hack. That was quite a big project for a long time and I don't rememeber once him even thinking about going commercial with it. And I know he spent as much time, if not more, supporting and updating that hack than any of you do, no matter how wonderful you think your commercial addons are.

This place has really changed from the old days. Most of you think it has gotten better, but in reality, it has gone the other way. There is more fighting and complete disrespect for one another now as individuals here than there ever was before. We didn't have the problems of users demanding like they do now. We all worked together for a common goal, and that goal was never about money.

Just because a user "pays" for a hack, doesn't mean the support will be there any more than it is for the free ones. As a matter of fact, chances are it will be the "get the money and run" sort of thing. Why should you care about supporting anything when you altready have the money in hand? And without naming names or hacks, it has happened many times in the past here. all commercial hacks here are gonna do, besides making the author more money, is make it even more of a headache for everyone here with threads full of the "I bought a hack and now they have disappeared" type posts that we have all seen too many of in the past.

I, myself, will never be a part of anything that makes the org "commercialized", unless it is strictly impoosed (as Wayne has said in the past) and adhered to with an iron fist. If you commercial authors want to make money off the org, then expect the be doing something in return. If you are going to bring this place down, it should cost you.

Sorry, guys/gals, but I needed to get that off my chest. And 2 quarts really does help make that happen.

Sorry if I offended anyone, but it is getting almost rediculous now.

[plubius]

Originally Posted by Boofo

Why is it the only ones who can see any benefit for allowing paid hacks here are those wishing to make a quick buck? If you really "care" about the users here as most of you claim, why is making the almighty dollar such a big issue? You seem to be doing all right selling your stuff on other sites, why do you need to use the org to beneift yourselves even more?

You all claim that you need to be compensated for all of your "hard work". There are others here that have done some very good hacks that have never asked for anything monitary in return. Do you really believe they have less hours in the day than all of you do? They have families/jobs, etc., too.

One major hack that comes to mind is Lesane's Store Hack. That was quite a big project for a long time and I don't rememeber once him even thinking about going commercial with it. And I know he spent as much time, if not more, supporting and updating that hack than any of you do, no matter how wonderful you think your commercial addons are.

This place has really changed from the old days. Most of you think it has gotten better, but in reality, it has gone the other way. There is more fighting and complete disrespect for one another now as individuals here than there ever was before. We didn't have the problems of users demanding like they do now. We all worked together for a common goal, and that goal was never about money.

Just because a user "pays" for a hack, doesn't mean the support will be there any more than it is for the free ones. As a matter of fact, chances are it will be the "get the money and run" sort of thing. Why should you care about supporting anything when you altready have the money in hand? And without naming names or hacks, it has happened many times in the past here. all commercial hacks here are gonna do, besides making the author more money, is make it even more of a headache for everyone here with threads full of the "I bought a hack and now they have disappeared" type posts that we have all seen too many of in the past.

I, myself, will never be a part of anything that makes the org "commercialized", unless it is strictly impoosed (as Wayne has said in the past) and adhered to with an iron fist. If you commercial authors want to make money off the org, then expect the be doing something in return. If you are going to bring this place down, it should cost you.

Sorry, guys/gals, but I needed to get that off my chest. And 2 quarts really does help make that happen.

Sorry if I offended anyone, but it is getting almost rediculous now.

Well said, Boofo.

I agree with it getting ridiculous, so I will not add anything more.

[amykhar]

Bob, I have never released a paid hack and don't intend to do so. I have done custom work, but have no desire to write something and sell it to the masses.

But, I think that this site could benefit by selling banner space to people who write paid modifications. But, as I said before, that's Jelsoft's decision to make.

Amy

[Boofo]

Yes, it could definately benefit someone, but not so much Jelsoft (whom would have to put up with the headaches from the ones that DO skip out with the money and run) as much as the commercial authors that would be preying on unsuspecting users. I agree, there probably wouldn't be many of them that do that, but all it takes is one bad apple to spoil the whole bunch, right? Have we not learned anything in the past from all of this?

And, Amy, I didn't say you ever did release any code to be paid for. I was very careful not to mention any names or hacks in my post. I've learned that much in my 150 years on earth.

[amykhar]

I was responding to this quote:

Why is it the only ones who can see any benefit for allowing paid hacks here are those wishing to make a quick buck?

I do see the benefit for the community. TAZ has banners similar to what I am suggesting. They also have non-biased discussions in the forums about products that are advertised. I have not seen problems there.

I just think that information for board owners is important. There are some damn good paid mods out there, and I think allowing them to be advertised here would be a benefit to the professional board owners who aren't looking to spend hours tweaking their sites.