Angry .Orgers

[smacklan]

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke

Then why have demo forums? Never understood why you would just throw all your commercial graphics and code out there to the wind. Why not do something like Template Monster does and show screenshots with watermarking and not the actual code. People will get the idea. Of course demo styles are easy but they lead to lost sales.

Template Monster does have demos...have you looked at their Flash templates? However, I'm like KW802, I'm looking at taking the potential loss of business and removing the live demo's and going with watermarked screenshots. I'd rather lose legitimate business than gain illegitimate business. Sorry for jacking this thread btw!

Back on topic, I would love to see a paid advertising section here at the org. Many sites do that very successfully and not at the expense of the main purpose of the site.

[The Geek]

Originally Posted by Boofo

Well said and accurate, Slave.

You've got to be kidding me.

You guys are total doomsayers "Ive been looking around at other forums cause this will be the end of .org?". Pfft. Look, you two. Get some countrytime and sit on the porch to play some checkers and reminisce about the good ol days and how it just ain't like it used to be. All because someone started asking for donations.* :beard:

Slave, you talk about the coders mindset however you haven't released anything here that I am aware of. To say that people started seeing $$$ with donations when its been stated umpteen times that one or two people ever bother to give made everyone go commercial is just silly. Just because someone charges for their work doesn't mean that they are trying to profit from it. However thats just not good enough for you? They should have to not even cover some costs invovled to make your modifications? They should support the work, do up documentation for people who don't know how to work computers, give up their weekends and Pub time because thats your version of a perfect '.org'?

I know you guys would rather have the ol 'team .org spirit' and believe me - I would to. Heck, if this were the virtual garden of eden with everyone pitching in and working together on projects then you bet your ass I would be there in an instance. Heck, I would most likely close up shop and release all my work here as 'open source' because I wouldn't have to worry about support, future development, documentation, etc... as the community would do it for me! I have 1,000 projects I would love to throw out there in various states and work with others to bring them to fruition however lets accept that you Utopia wont come about because the community doesn't support it. In fact, I think more and more of the community finally want a choice. Why is a choice bad? Why is a choice something to be fearful of? If I want a gallery, I can use the one that the community built for free or buy vBa's or Photoposts or Coppermine. Why is that bad?

After all, if vB creates a solution for its customers that involves commercial scripts, YOU HAVE THE CHOICE to not buy any, read about them and not care one iota about them. However those that do will be happy they can finally get something that some would feel is desperately needed. In other words, we would all have choice whereas alas now... we do not.

Heres an idea: Put an 'ignore commercial hacks' or 'send commercial hacks to Coventry' option. Then you guys wont ever even know about them.

*I was just taking the piss about the Country time bit. I hope its not taken out of context. It just seems that I'm the only one around here who hasn't mentioned that Boofo is an old geezer at some stage in a post so I saw it as a weak attempt to clear that off of my 'things to do before I die' list

nJoy

[eXtremeTim]

Originally Posted by Brad

vBseo was allowed at first because the author was seeking beta testers. We didn't see a problem with him seeking testers via the forum. Once the modification was up for sale he said there would be a lite version, the thread was left for discussion while he prepaired the modification for release.

Needless to say it took him longer then expected. The thread has been deleted now, but he will be allowed to post his lite version when/if it's finished.

Thats not the case for most people. I see alot of people start talking about needing people for beta testing and stuff but as soon as the hack is mentioned to be commercial the thread is nailed regardless of needing beta testers.

[AN-net]

in response to chris's post, if that is the case of water and oil, pretaining to free and commercial modifications, then the best solution i see is creating a separate site for such commercial modifications to keep the channels of open source clear and move any guinea pig testing there so the dangling of hacks in front of others will not proceed.

[noppid]

Originally Posted by AN-net

in response to chris's post, if that is the case of water and oil, pretaining to free and commercial modifications, then the best solution i see is creating a separate site for such commercial modifications to keep the channels of open source clear and move any guinea pig testing there so the dangling of hacks in front of others will not proceed.

There is such a place that allows that and it runs vBulletin.

Software Forums

[The Geek]

Exactly how many 'hook and bait' jobs have been around?

Ok, you want to call vbSEO one - I could see that (though I'm still a fan of it), the only other I could think of was GAL PRO which I thought I was perfectly legit.

• I uploaded it here.
• Stated it was a public beta
• Stated right from the word go that it would be commercial when finished

Hell, I even released a LITE version within 24 hours of it going GOLD.

The thread was removed within what... hours of it being posted?

Anyhooo. How many other bait jobs are there? Or are we just letting 1 apple spoil the batch? Are we just being paranoid? Honestly, I dont know. I havent seen many, but then again it may just be because the mods rock at staying on top of this

Why not specify that if something is posted here, it must be clearly stated that it will be commercial when x happens (after 1 year, when it goes gold, whatever). Then people can make their own decisions
The only problem I have with that is that you have to cut some people some slack. Sometimes people simply cant do it anymore.
From that stage, the community should be able to pick up the current project and run with it. If the community can do better - then the commercial version wont.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by eXtremeTim

Thats not the case for most people. I see alot of people start talking about needing people for beta testing and stuff but as soon as the hack is mentioned to be commercial the thread is nailed regardless of needing beta testers.

This has not been the case, if you are talking about the situation with The Geek's hack this was not the same thing. The vBSEO hack was allowed because they told us they planned to release a lite version from the get-go.

[AN-net]

Originally Posted by noppid

There is such a place that allows that and it runs vBulletin.

Software Forums

no official, jelsoft endorsed place exists

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by EasyTarget

on the other hand...I agree, if I'm going to be paying money I'd rather be buying a hack from the team that made the software in the first place, people that have a more vested interest in it and we know will be around.

Sorry, but I don't see the logic here. Being a "team" member at vb.org does not make you any better at coding hacks, or more likely to be around in the future. A number of vb.org staff have just vanished or retired, and I wasn't aware new ones were chosen purely for their coding skills. Equally, not being a team member does not make someone inferior, or more likely to vanish.

[AN-net]

to continue what Paul M was saying, jelsoft could pack up and disappear one day as well. the internet is known to do that so just because there is a team does not mean they can provide a better product or support then any other 3rd party.