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[Replicant]

Originally Posted by ozzy47

It's been to years and no new developers have come in yet. Where are these developers going to come from?

Where did the previous developers come from?
Most likely technically minded users who needed some functionality that wasn't offered so they did it themselves, then shared or sold what they came up with. I don't think anyone really decides "I wanna be a Vbulletin coder when I grow up". They do it out of necessity and become a developer over time.

I apologize for going off topic.

[ozzy47]

Ohh, I thought you knew something I didn't.

TBH, thw way things are going, I doubt there will be a big turn around. In the last year alone, vBulletins market share of commercial forum software has went from 68.3% to 57.9%, a 10.4% drop. Also, the percentage of vBulletin installs that are running vB5 is only 1.4% which has only increases about 0.5% in a year.

Now take into account that there is quite a few sites out therre running vB5 in the cloud, they can't use mods on their sites, like you could running it on your own server. So those users will never need mods that you might like.

Bottom line is, there are less and less users using vBulletin over all, and the amount of sites running vB5 is dismal. If they were to clean up the code so it was not such a mess, and add the hooks system back in, like it is in vB3 and vB4 series, perhaps a few people will develop mods for vB5, but it will not be like it is now.

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by Replicant

Where did the previous developers come from?
Most likely technically minded users who needed some functionality that wasn't offered so they did it themselves, then shared or sold what they came up with. I don't think anyone really decides "I wanna be a Vbulletin coder when I grow up". They do it out of necessity and become a developer over time.

I apologize for going off topic.

There will be no such necessity. Since v5 is a dog, and will always and ever be, a dog.

You talk about people not understanding the coding - of course we do. It reminds me of a Reagan quote:

"A communist is someone who reads Marx. A anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."

We DO understand. That's the point. You think people are stupid out here?

Meanwhile what is the incentive to develop for a platform which already alienated a whole army of volunteer developers it once had? You kidding?

[ozzy47]

Also look at the activity on this site alone. Back four years ago, there were literally hundreds of users online at any given time, usually 300+ ( https://web.archive.org/web/20100103...t.ru/index.php ) now you are not likely to see it break 100.

The users were more in tune with going on within the site. There was hundreds of users voting in the MOTM threads ( https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=229223 ), now you will find it difficult to break 50.

Things were good back in the day, but once vBulletin was sold from Jelsoft to Internet Brands, and then the lawsuit with another software company, things went downhill.

I doubt by the end of 2015 that there will be 100 working mods for vB5, as it is now about only 50.

[Replicant]

Originally Posted by Max Taxable

We DO understand. That's the point. You think people are stupid out here?

Really? I don't recall inferring that anyone was stupid or not understanding the code.
I simply stated my opinion on the subject not intending on calling anyone out, but to answer your question, I didn't used to think so.

Nice choice for a quote by the way, Reagan was my favorite President.:up:

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by Replicant

I didn't used to think so.

Me either until I started seeing the annual one person who would espouse vBulletin 5 as a valid platform...

[Replicant]

Originally Posted by Max Taxable

Me either until I started seeing the annual one person who would espouse vBulletin 5 as a valid platform...

Just think, if VB3 had post comments, this entire conversation could have been in one post instead of derailing the thread.

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by Replicant

Just think, if VB3 had post comments, this entire conversation could have been in one post instead of derailing the thread.

You've..... Seen things we people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion....