Re: Deleted Avatar Thread

[PoetJA-1975]

OK - I got what I perceive as a most short and ugly message from vB.org Administrator davidw.... Now - I take a few moments out of my day (just being generous I thought) to upload a couple avatar packs: Glamour Avatars & Artistic Avatars - both of which contain images that can freely be attained from the internet on most all avatar websites...

Originally Posted by davidw

Hello PoetJA-1975,

I have deleted your thread "Glamour Avatars" for the following reason.

Rgds,

davidw
vbulletin.org Staff

TO WHICH I RESPONDED AND HAVE THUS FAR NO RETURN COMMENT....

Originally Posted by PoetJA-1975

BTW - just were did you get information that those avatars are copyrighted and in violation of some sort of policy? Whoever gave you that information was blowing smoke up your arse: http://www.iconator.com/tags.php?typ...ar&tag=glamour

Jacquii.

I've just had vB Coordinator Marco post a very simple message in my Artistic Avatars thread: Is this your original work? --- nothing more just that one brief sentence as if it's a prequel to ugh....

I comment:
WhY? Are you gonna continue to go around deleting my damn threads?
No it is not my original work - but I would say each of the images in those packs are readily available on the internet - I would think they're not subject to any copyright. The Glamour avatar thread I posted earlier (just being generous and wanting to share) is not subject to any copyright either. It got deleted and none of you vB.org Admins even gave notice = THAT SUCKS!

I would think that you'd be more amiable to Members who are taking time out of their lives to be as generous as to share a pack of avatars.

Jacquii.

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That's it - just wanted to post my opinion on this matter. I've been a Member of vB.org for over 1 year now - and have never until this time posted/shared neither my template modifications, nor any of my graphic creations.

If this is the way vB.org feels fit to treat people who out of the generosity of their souls, shares something they think other Members can generally benefit from - I say it's the last time I share

Thanx for reading...

Jacquii.

Posting copyrighted material is against the rules - it goes against copyright laws and it would be a very big insult to users who posted their copyrighted work here if we did not follow comply to these rules.

It's not a personal attack on you. We appreciate your participation here, we just can not have copyrighted work posted here without the author's specific permission.

[PoetJA-1975]

oh - but the thing is - it's not copyrighted work
Anyway - thanx for the quick response DANNY

Jacquii.

[ssslippy]

I believe there is a law that basically says anything u post on your website or whatever is copyrighted. That means whereever those came from is copyrighted in the first place.

[TruthElixirX]

Originally Posted by ssslippy

I believe there is a law that basically says anything u post on your website or whatever is copyrighted. That means whereever those came from is copyrighted in the first place.

Anything you produce is instantly copyrighted by you. This applies to the United States. You do not have to file any paper work. It is automatic.

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/fa...al.html#mywork

When is my work protected?
Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.

It is fixed to a hard drive and readable with anything that can interface with said HDD.

[PoetJA-1975]

I dare say then most of the avatar threads, smilies threads (accept for the brilliant work of SHELLEY) and a lot of the other threads specifically within the graphics section would be deleted then - My general understanding of graphics works in particular - is that if there is now copyright text and/or ownership stated point blankly and without any misunderstanding - then the graphics are in a public domain and readily available for anyone who wants to use them.

Now - understand that we're not talking about the AOL, vBulletin and/or similar big company logos - we're talking about a package of images used as avatars on forums. For instance - the Artistic Avatars post I made is made of DaVinci works, as well as from a selection of works Dega, Cezanne an other known artists of the 17th, 18th, 19th & 20th centuries. Are YAWL saying such avatar images are copyrighted?

That's ludicrous - And please let's not stretch the issue farther than what it is.

Jacquii.

Originally Posted by PoetJA-1975

Are YAWL saying such avatar images are copyrighted?

Yes. I am not a lawyer, so please don't take this as legal acumen but the Copyright Act of 1976 along with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act work together to state that any work digitally represented is copyrighted to the owner. In the case of iconator (by looking at their T.O.S) they assume that the one who uploads the work is the owner of the material.

Just because they upload their work to iconator does not mean they give consent for other to upload elsewhere. The same goes for modifications posted here. We are required by law to respect copyright so we have this clause in our general rules:

No spreading of any copyrighted material (vBulletin or other) is to take place on this site without the expressed permission of the copyright holder, which must be attached to the material. For example, you cannot upload complete vBulletin files. Partial code is permitted, as long as it is solely for the location of the correct place in the code. Any copyrighted code snippets should be no more than 10 lines in length, unless approved by a member of Staff.

Again, please do not take this as a personal attack - it isn't.

[PoetJA-1975]

wow - OK - It's easy to simply spend time doing something else, rather than attempting to share a few avatars with the vB.org Community

Jacquii.

[Dean C]

Jacquii, i'm with the admins on this one I'm afraid. Provide proof that you have permission to distribute the avatars from the original author and you won't have a problem

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by PoetJA-1975

I comment:
WhY? Are you gonna continue to go around deleting my damn threads?
No it is not my original work - but I would say each of the images in those packs are readily available on the internet - I would think they're not subject to any copyright.

The relevant part is highlighted. To release work here you should either be the author, or have the authors permission (which we may ask for proof of).