Dispute with The Coldwood, Kyle Korleski

[COBRAws]

I needed a portation of the vBrecycle hack. On 16. Nov 2006 at 13:12 I received a PM from The Coldwood offering me his services for a fee of 100USD, 50% upfront and 50% on deliver (upfront payment was paid through PayPal).

On 24. Nov 2006 at 15:56 the work was requested, and it would be delivered within 1 week starting on Nov 25th.
After one week, Kyle Korleski aka The Coldwood, asked an extension of 3-4 days.
Then, a week passed and my PMs weren't getting any replies. After a few PMs, this person agreed to deliver the final product on December 31th.

Until yesterday, and my request for a refund, Kyle Korleski aka The Coldwood, stated that a refund was not possible, here is the PM.

Sir, since my company is provincially subsidized by the Gouvernment du Quebec, I am going to need you to fill out a government form stating why you want the refund. We will then process your refund within 72 hours of your request.

Note that the payment was delivered to the email kyle@rexanni.com, his personal email and not a company. And since the first contact, the job was going to be made by him, he never stated a company doing my request, i never asked for a company to work on my little hack port.

I am a customer of Jelsoft since while ago, and member of vb.org since October 14th 2002, im not a noob in this board, I have made planty of business with respected coders in this board and many others. I dont care about those 50USD, because I can live without them, but this person seems to be really poor and needs them.
A paypal Dispute was open, I am going to wait what happens. If not, I have a bussiness trip to Miami in March, I would be glad to go a few days to Quebec and start legal actions agains Kyle Korleski. I dont know much about Canadian laws, so, if anyone can guide me or knows if a foreigner can start a legal dispute with a canadian resident, let me know.

Thank you all,
Jack

[Staxed]

This is about the 5th scam report I've seen on this guy. I was hit by him a little less than a year ago, a 4 month ordeal to complicated to get into, but ended up with him reporting my to some canadian government terrorist research group or something because i ended up doing a paypal complaint for my money...it was quite funny after that point...

He did the same with me though, saying something about a company and blah blah blah...

sorry to hear you as well were scandaled by this individual who claims to be a very honest business man.

[COBRAws]

Originally Posted by Irisfire

This is about the 5th scam report I've seen on this guy. I was hit by him a little less than a year ago, a 4 month ordeal to complicated to get into, but ended up with him reporting my to some canadian government terrorist research group or something because i ended up doing a paypal complaint for my money...it was quite funny after that point...

He did the same with me though, saying something about a company and blah blah blah...

sorry to hear you as well were scandaled by this individual who claims to be a very honest business man.

Did you get your money back? Are you willing to start legal actions with me agains this individual?

Thanks for your feedback Daniel.

[Staxed]

Nope, never got my money back. I didn't lose out a whole lot of money, and I'm not entirely sure if I kept all the emails and pm's (was a good bit ago), so I'm not entirely sure legal actions would be worth the money spent for me. But of course if you need any thing at all i'd be willing to supply any information. (PM me if you would like to talk more about it..or I have no problem talking here either)

[unenergizer]

This kind of scamming is completely uncalled for. I can't believe that someone would do this type of "crap." I wish you the best of luck with getting your money back. Its not really the money though, its the principle. These type of people should be shut down.

Now that I have thought about this, I have a few unique Ideas that some people may find interesting.

[DivisionByZero]

These kinds of threads are uncalled for. They shouldn't be allowed to spew about 3rd party disputes here, especially when these "disgruntled" people can't provide proof of non-delivery.

Though I'm not doubting anyone's particular case, us good hard working developers are constantly plagued by people who want something for nothing, and want a 100% dedicated coder for their project without paying a handsome retainer fee. You get what you pay for.

[COBRAws]

Originally Posted by MisterPopularity

These kinds of threads are uncalled for. They shouldn't be allowed to spew about 3rd party disputes here, especially when these "disgruntled" people can't provide proof of non-delivery.

Though I'm not doubting anyone's particular case, us good hard working developers are constantly plagued by people who want something for nothing, and want a 100% dedicated coder for their project without paying a handsome retainer fee. You get what you pay for.

All discussion took place through the PM system. Any Jelsoft employee can read both sides pms and stand by my position.

[Ntfu2]

Originally Posted by MisterPopularity

These kinds of threads are uncalled for. They shouldn't be allowed to spew about 3rd party disputes here, especially when these "disgruntled" people can't provide proof of non-delivery.

Though I'm not doubting anyone's particular case, us good hard working developers are constantly plagued by people who want something for nothing, and want a 100% dedicated coder for their project without paying a handsome retainer fee. You get what you pay for.

You couldn't be more wrong. The transaction was started here, and this individual seems to get a kick from ripping people off. Next time when he contacts someone for work, hopefully they do a search and this turns up and saves someone some time and money.

Since there is no other way of letting the community know, like a feedback system, this is the only way to inform everyone of a rip off.

Or maybe you're right, we could just let them to continue to defraud everyone, and no one speak about it so everyone can "live and learn".... /sarcasim

[MRGTB]

Originally Posted by Ntfu2

You couldn't be more wrong. The transaction was started here, and this individual seems to get a kick from ripping people off. Next time when he contacts someone for work, hopefully they do a search and this turns up and saves someone some time and money.

Since there is no other way of letting the community know, like a feedback system, this is the only way to inform everyone of a rip off.

Or maybe you're right, we could just let them to continue to defraud everyone, and no one speak about it so everyone can "live and learn".... /sarcasim

I agree, although I do know were the coder is coming from in saying it's all too easy for a member to come here shouting his mouth off and ruining a coders rep without some proof to backup his case. But at the end of the day, these coders ripping people off still need to be mentioned regardless, otherwise there just going to scam everybody in sight.

I have to say also, if this type of thing keeps happening from here, your going to finish up in a situation were everybody is going to be totally paranoid about hiring coders from this site sooner or later. There have been too many cases of this happening recently were rouge coders are using this site to rip people off. And it's not doing vB.org any favours what so ever!

Something needs to change, be it a rating system like others have mentioned or whatever.

[The Coldwood]

Originally Posted by unenergizer

This kind of scamming is completely uncalled for. I can't believe that someone would do this type of "crap." I wish you the best of luck with getting your money back. Its not really the money though, its the principle. These type of people should be shut down.

Now that I have thought about this, I have a few unique Ideas that some people may find interesting.

I know that those type of people should be shut down, but luckily for me, I am not one of those types of people.

Originally Posted by MisterPopularity

These kinds of threads are uncalled for. They shouldn't be allowed to spew about 3rd party disputes here, especially when these "disgruntled" people can't provide proof of non-delivery.

Though I'm not doubting anyone's particular case, us good hard working developers are constantly plagued by people who want something for nothing, and want a 100% dedicated coder for their project without paying a handsome retainer fee. You get what you pay for.

Thanks for the support MisterPopularity. I am tired of developing someone's product and having a paypal dispute claim a few days later simply because they want something for nothing.

Originally Posted by COBRAws

All discussion took place through the PM system. Any Jelsoft employee can read both sides pms and stand by my position.

Yes they can. In fact, I would actually prefer that.

Originally Posted by Ntfu2

You couldn't be more wrong. The transaction was started here, and this individual seems to get a kick from ripping people off. Next time when he contacts someone for work, hopefully they do a search and this turns up and saves someone some time and money.

Since there is no other way of letting the community know, like a feedback system, this is the only way to inform everyone of a rip off.

Or maybe you're right, we could just let them to continue to defraud everyone, and no one speak about it so everyone can "live and learn".... /sarcasim

No, I don't seem to get a kick out of this kind of thing, nor have I done this kind of thing. I hope that Jelsoft does the right thing and removes this thread or locks it.

Originally Posted by MRGTB

I agree, although I do know were the coder is coming from in saying it's all too easy for a member to come here shouting his mouth off and ruining a coders rep without some proof to backup his case. But at the end of the day, these coders ripping people off still need to be mentioned regardless, otherwise there just going to scam everybody in sight.

I have to say also, if this type of thing keeps happening from here, your going to finish up in a situation were everybody is going to be totally paranoid about hiring coders from this site sooner or later. There have been too many cases of this happening recently were rouge coders are using this site to rip people off. And it's not doing vB.org any favours what so ever!

Something needs to change, be it a rating system like others have mentioned or whatever.

I have ripped no one off. I am running a legitimate business here in Calgary, Alberta. I have worked on the Invisionize community, taking people's requests for about 1-2 years and I have not gotten this kind of bad press there.

All it comes down to is that some people here want a free ride and either the developer shrugs off the PayPal dispute, his rep and his money or he has to defend himself against these claims.