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Originally Posted by Wayne Luke

They haven't even finished setting up permissions yet or finished filling the teams. There has been nothing to really report. Why announce things before they are ready? A million posts requesting more information won't get it. Not even two weeks have gone by since the announcement of the new staff structure. Certainly that is not an unreasonable amount of time to start building teams. It requires reviewing potential members, talking with them and setting things up.

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The next part is GENERAL. It isn't directed to one person in particular, just to make that clear. Those causing the problems know who they are and they will know when they read it.

The ongoing behavior on this site suggest otherwise. It seems that all some people want to do is destroy this site and vBulletin and will do everything in your power to do so. You log into chatrooms and attack Jelsoft employees for fun. You do the same to the staff here for your own whims. From now on, it will result in bans. It is stated in the rules, whether you read them or not. The staff have been very lenient but now they are backed into a corner. All this does is contribute to a negative situation which people say they want to resolve. It isn't helping. All it does it make people defensive and quite literally develop a great dislike if not hatred for the people causing the problems. No one here wants to ban people. We truly don't. However if that is what it comes to then it must. People simply can't expect their hundredth warning and a slap on the wrist.

Quite frankly, everytime people cause this crap I have to think hard on whether it would be simply easier to delete the whole site and start from scratch or simply allow commercial addons without the need for this site. However people do rely on the site for their own forums and it is a great resource. People need to stop causing problems simply to do so. It doesn't help anyone in the long run.

Really, you want the staff to be more forthcoming instead of armed to the teeth and sitting in their foxhole, then you need to extend a branch and drop the stupid schoolyard antics and petty fights. It is as simple as that. Sarcastic quips hurt and they are attacks and they should not be tolerated. Don't you remember what your parents taught you? It is probably the most important thing they taught you in your life...

TREAT OTHERS HOW YOU WISH TO BE TREATED.

Want to be treated badly then treat others badly. That is how it works. Want people to accept you and treat you with respect, then do so as well. The last few weeks on this site many have not had any respect but think they deserve it in return. It isn't going to happen. You will be treated like what you are, a spoiled customer who is more trouble than worth.

This isn't the way it has to be and you know it. You want change on the forums, the start it. Want to be treated differently, then start treating others differently. Bring what you want to the table and it will spread.

Ok, now that I have had a good nights sleep and some more introspective thoughts. I have had some time to further analyze the thought process of those whom hold the seats of power in regards of changes here.

There are several aspects of mentality displayed here that make obvious how vital a change really is. I feel like there has been this ever growing "us vs them" mentallity through the years that grows larger and larger as the member base grows larger and larger. I am not pointing fingers, I am making an observation. Maybe when dealing with large masses of people that seem to be asking something from you day in and day out after a while you feel exhausted or burned out, I dunno, that is a theory. But alas there is no one trying to bring down vbulletin.org. If we were, there are way more productive means to do, like starting our own site or utilizing an existing site instead of this one.

Something that has frustrated me is that the only change thus far ( or at least largest change made obvious to members ) is new staff. Now I agree that the site needed it, however I don't think it was a top priority. At the end of the day, there really are not that many members breaking rules around here. The worst offenses are normally something small like posting in the wrong forums, but nothing to warrant making it first on the agenda. I do however agree with whom has been chosen thus far. They are good people. I can't say anything bad about any of them.

Another complex here that seems to trouble me is the " ok kids be a good boy/girl and you will get dessert " response we get. Now I can understand the emphasis in regard to people respecting each other, but do we really have that many people here attacking each other? Or staff for that matter? Maybe my standards of respect is lower then those in power here, but other then the minor bickering here and there, in my eyes we seem to get along well, besides the frustration of lack of communication at times.

My thoughts still have not changed since I posted my first thread. I feel that this site has been thrusted into a business like environment and now the shareholders (contributors) are asking for an update from the executives, ceo,cfo,etc. No one is demanding change right now. We just want to be kept in the loop, to be communicated with, and really, is it that much to ask for. Why, I know that at this hour right now there are probably coders in mutiple countries working hard for hours on coding something just to release it here, maybe today, maybe tomorrow. I think that alone warrants a little time set aside to post a thread *progress update* followed *Ok, heres whats going on thus far.*Even if there is no progress to update us on, just letting us know that it's still on everyone's mind and people are working on it, is sufficient for most of us here.