[pcoskat]

Originally Posted by Clayton

New users however could also take a few tips and search first and if they not successful mention in their post that they have tried and would now like assistance.

I don't think that's needed, especially since it's just to soothe the 'old timer' souls...

Most newbies aren't posting a question that's been asked before out of spite.

That's why it's silly for members to repond with venom or post 'shouts' in their sigs.

If it's THAT much of a problem, start a Newbie Forum (that's what I did at my site.)

In it, we have TONS of stickies with info on how to navigate the site, links to FAQ's, and site manners.

It STILL doesn't stop the newbie FAQ's, but now the mods and other members can just respond with 'see this post'.

Originally Posted by Michelle

EXACTLY!!!
It really gets on my nerves to see a forum admin that doesn't know how to upload a file or some basic HTML. How do they expect to succeed then??

^This^ post is a perfect example of 'unfriendly' - not to mention, it also demonstrates a gross understanding of why/how some people acquire vB licenses...AND what it takes to be a so-called 'success'.

A good CEO(admin) doesn't handle everything in their company, nor do they need to know how to do it. Among other things, they need to know where the smart, proficient, and courteous experts are.

I run a farily large forum, and I don't know how to upload files - nor do I plan on learning. My focus is on the content and overall experience for the end user.

While some people who have responded to this thread call themselves master coders, their level of business savvy and maturity is lacking.

Come to think of it, what would be GREAT is if someone would launch a site for vB professionals...

It would have:

- A directory of professional mod coders for hire*
- A directory of professional skin coders for hire*
- A directory of professional admin help (for things like back ups, and optimization)*
- A directory of professional skin designers*
- A well-orgzanized directory of mods/add-ons

I'd start it myself, but I don't know enough professionals in these areas. That said, I'd be a frequent customer...I ALWAYS need service providers.

*No, I don't want to use 'rent a coder' for these services. I'm speaking of a service that only caters to vBulletin users & service providers.

Originally Posted by Andreas

I don't want to sound arrogant, but:

Users who post questions are licensed Jelsoft customers. This means they are forum admins. At least I expect that a forum admin does know the basics of forum software - and searching is a basic function.
Also, I would think that total newbies don't come to vBulletin.org - they go to vBulletin.com.
Theoretically, only "advanced users" who need/want more than the standard functionality of vBulletin would come to vBulletin.org.

It didn't sound arrogant. Just misguided about the user base of the vBulletin application.

Stick to coding.

ETA
(Oh, geez...now I'm starting to get cranky, too )