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Originally Posted by DiesellMinded

This is Not A Rant But a Point I would like to make , Moderators Feal free to delete this thread if it violates any rules My intent is not to cause trouble just to express my self among other Admins / Mods .

For a start , Im Fairly new to Owning a site but have been admin for a few years . And a member for over 5 years , Ive seen all sides of the Web Forum World .

Any Site with out a privacy Policy thats not Stock I would not Trust , Ive had My own and a ton of my friends email address get sold to a spam company , I know this to be 100% Fact Pm Me and i will go into detail for you , Upon this discovery We all found the site had no privacy policy and we were at our own risk , To be a Good Admin You should ensure your members that there private information is Safe and you wont share it , This is not an option for you , W/O a Privacy Policy you can lose alot of your Google ads, Auction Ad's ect By not holding up your end of the deal .

Miserable Users Mod - I know this is Pauls mod , I respect Paul A Lot and dont mean to take anything away from his great mods ect,,, However this Is Just Flat out Wrong Think about it Someone wants to view your site and you make it a PITA for them on purpose , If you dont want them there ban there IP address and Grow Up a little , I found my Friends on the Miserable User Group as he was complaing about speed and stuff , I investigated and There it was , (This was on another site) The Admin of this other site was showing on forum leaders the miserable user group , Once the word got out then back around to the members there was a Mass Exidios of members from that forum , Its Corrupt And An Abuse of The Privlage of Being an Admin in the first place .

Read PM's Is just Flat Out Wrong in so many ways and is a major Abuse of powers , As Admin we should hold our selves to a higher standard Of Good Morals and portray the same for our members .

Im Disappointed That many Admin Resort to these Tactics , And I run my forum a lot different than most as my rules are ...


And Were over 1500 Happy members Since March 2007

Treat Your Members Like adults and with respect and you will get it in return ,

Setting Auto Subscribe to default to all threads they post in and using the re-occurring Subscription Setting are Also Wrong

Be sneaking and intruding on your members privacy by reading there Pm's ,Selling there Personal Information and Throwing them in a user Group where the Site Bucks them at every turn ... And You will get yours in the end

My .02 Dont take it personal

DM

Okay, this is extremely likely one of those 'honour/privacy lunatic/democratic forum managing topics that ends up being locked after a multi page argument about every possible thing. But since it's a topic here, I'll still debate everything you said.

Erm, you shouldn't just disregard all sites with different privacy policies than stock, as that would take away the services of most major websites such as Google, Yahoo, eBay, Youtube, etc or those of Microsoft products (LOL). But agreed that those who send spam or sell personal information are in the wrong, and should preferably be taken care of with legal action or the like. And I personally don't give away member's personal information, and I don't suppose any vBulletin official sites would either.


Frankly, the reason the Miserable Users mod exists is to annoy a troll until they leave. You want them to keep re registering under different names and IPs, and more bans having to be issued? No, it shuts them up basically. Besides, if anyone don't like it, there's always Tachy Goes to Coventry (puts trolls on global ignore to all other members and stops any of their posts or PMs being seen or read). I personally feel that the second one is even better, as instead of trying to use Capital Punishment online, I belief forced solipsism will shut up a jerk. Heck, I even wish the second option was possible in real life, cutting all human contact or living contact to criminals to make them feel like the only being in the universe and taking away all that would bring enjoyment. And that seems to work online quite well. Besides, do you think Miserable Users is the only version of this in existance? There are tons of mods for all forum software that are based around the same troll punishment concepts.

As for Reading PMs, it has legitimate uses. And non legitimate ones. No one says reading PMs for fun is a fair or honest idea, and in fact very much like spying on people's private lives. However, there are uses. For example, illegal activities in PMs. Many don't report the PMs because they like to take part for the promised benefits, and if you didn't take action, couldn't you be kind of in trouble legally? And PM spammers/flamers. PM spammers or advertisers use PMs to draw people to competing sites. Would you rather want an empty forum where everyone has left to go to a competing site? And flaming. I recently caught someone who sent a PM with like hundreds of personal attacks and insults, with profanity to someone they disliked on the forum. That goes un noticed without stuff like this. Yes, reporting PMs is also useful, and I also use this personally, and think it should be default. To add and conclude, this has legit uses and basically just does what was possible for ages in all forum software for many years by reading the database. Heck, XMB even had the option in by default ages ago.

Auto subscriptions I never even knew some people used. Seems dishonest to me.

As for your rules

What this means is: when reading a post on DieselBombers.com and your not sure how to take it always assume good faith from the poster, If in the end it wasn?t in good faith ... We can handle it, If it was in good faith everyone has a good time like they should be! How this board will be moderated and how the member base is expected to conduct them selves.

No idea, although could you expect good faith from a troll/known jerk/spam bot?

Treat others how you wish to be treated this is how we will run this site..... From the members shoes and do everything we can to make it a kick ass place to be from your view

Fair enough. I agree and think this myself.

Rather you want to admit it or not were all a lot alike , There's only 1 You , Don?t put on a front trying to be someone that you are not because sooner of later the real you will shine through . Be yourself and have fun!

Erm... this is the internet, and while I kind of agree, you can exaggerate and invent things online. Besides, a LOT of members on some forums I visited would disagree with you, or whatever. Or they could be telling the truth. Who knows.

I wonder how you would respond to these then:

Admin Log in as User

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=122989

Show latest PMs on forum home

Auto post as user (automatic posting from fake accounts or something)

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=155086

Mass create fake members (create 1000s with predefined fake e-mails in a few minutes)

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=154637

Fake community stats (make it look like 1000s online at once and millions of registered users)

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=117933