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akanevsky

08-02-2005 03:14 PM

A security section and no premium modifications please

Since the thread got closed, I'll reply here.

As princeton said:

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- There should be an Article/Guide/How-To section.
- It should be clearly stated.
- This section should be found within the upper-half of the page.
- You should direct all members to it (registration email, pm, post, etc).
- A 'security' article should be stickied GLOBALLY or prepended automatically on every mod thread.
- no PREMIUM forum - anyone can get their mod listed
it's misleading - 'premium' has a 'superior quality' connotation to it (NOTE: I'm not saying that what is there now is not 'quality'.)
- To a new member, it would appear as if vb.org gave it a 'thumbs up' or is endorsing it. Yea, I know there is a 'more info' but how many users actually take the time to read it -- especially, when PREMIUM is in BOLD?
- I would move all the mods back to FULL RELEASES (however, mod authors should stay with the same options as they have within the PREMIUM section) eg. a 'supported' mod forum found in PREMIUM moved into PORTAL SOFTWARE as a sub-forum
- A mod can be 'supported' today but that doesn't mean that the author will 'support' it tomorrow. What then?

I agree that we need a section for security articles, so that everyone can read them and so that everything would be in one place.

Also, by having Premium modifications, the admins of this site show no integrity. If you want no labels and/or divisions, then remove all those pointless premium sections please thanks.

Zachery

08-02-2005 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Visor

Since the thread got closed, I'll reply here.

As princeton said:

I agree that we need a section for security articles, so that everyone can read them and so that everything would be in one place.

Also, by having Premium modifications, the admins of this site show no integrity. If you want no labels and/or divisions, then remove all those pointless premium sections please thanks.

I don't really think you understand the concept behind the premium modifications.

They've sustained a point were support can no longer be done in a single thread and have grown to need their own forum. Which they get so support can be given properly. That is all they are. Period.

akanevsky

08-02-2005 03:19 PM

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They've sustained a point were support can no longer be done in a single thread and have grown to need their own forum. Which they get so support can be given properly. That is all they are. Period.

There is no period. "Premium" is a misconception which read like "These hacks are better than others". Many of those "Premium" modifications are actually worse in quality than others, non-"Premium", except they might be more popular, but who cares about the popularity?

southernlady

08-02-2005 03:31 PM

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A 'security' article should be stickied GLOBALLY or prepended automatically on every mod thread.

How many of you are security qualified? I am...a fully qualified member of the Alliance of Security Analysis Professionals

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ASAP started out as a small band of security sites under siege, and is rapidly expanding to include the "Best of the Best" the Internet Security Community has to offer.

ASAP is made up of website and forum owners and administrators, forum and site staff, individuals, companies and various organizations dedicated to providing security related support to computer end users.

ASAP is a joint effort designed to assist helping end users with as seamless a process as possible by using methods such as cross-referrals, multiple product support services, easy information access, and cross referencing/verification.

ASAP goals are:

* To ensure a high standard and quality of security support no matter where you seek help.
* To promote the products used to keep your computer clean and safe in an equal and fair manner.
* To ensure that end users are not affected by so called "product wars" and unfair marketing tactics, which have plagued several industries in recent years.

ASAP ensures that quality support and assistance will be freely available - knock one of the support networks out and another will pick it up immediately. In addition, pooled resources permit the ability to provide support redundancy, thereby adding an additional layer of protection against Internet based threats.

If you see the ASAP logo or banner used by a site, bulletin board, or person, you can be assured that you're getting the best support and assistance possible, as the combined efforts of all ASAP members are involved in helping everyone, and ASAP won't give up until your important investment is safe and clean.

ASAP is a non-profit, volunteer network.

Liz

akanevsky

08-02-2005 03:33 PM

I don't think one should be qualified to be able to write an article.
I am not qualified just because I did not take a test or whatever is required..
However, I think I can write an article about security. I don't think it's necessary though, as we can copy relevant articles from other sites... Making some minor updates to those articles, of course.

Adrian Schneider

08-02-2005 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Visor

But you may THINK you know all there it to know about security, whereas someone who is tested will know all that was decided is a necessity. Also - what is with the offensive / allmighty attitude lately? Is it necessary? Your last 4-5 threads have been like this.

southernlady

08-02-2005 03:37 PM

Yes, but copying and KNOWING what is best for the user are two different things. I tend to recommend well known FREE stuff from safe sites that maybe the average person copying an article might not know about. Also do you know who Tony Klein is? Or Merijn or RubbyDucky? Or Chris Boyd? Liz

Andreas

08-02-2005 03:38 PM

Hmm, we already have a Tipps and Tricks section and I think security articles would perfectly fit there.

As for the Premium Modifications, I recon that the word "Premium" might be misleading.
How do you think it should be called instead?

akanevsky

08-02-2005 04:41 PM

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As for the Premium Modifications, I recon that the word "Premium" might be misleading.
How do you think it should be called instead?

It should just be removed..

Andreas

08-02-2005 04:44 PM

That's not a good idea IMHO.

How would you handle support for those Hacks then, again in one thread?

akanevsky

08-02-2005 04:46 PM

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There's no almighty attitude.. It's just that anybody who has been seriously programming for some time and who read other peoples' article can write a PHP security article of his own... And he/she does not have to be necessarily qualified by a higher standing proffessional..

And I am not saying that I know everything - I am saying that I can write what I know about...

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How would you handle support for those Hacks then, again in one thread?

Aha! A support (ticket) system for hacks, pehaps? ;)

Andreas

08-02-2005 04:53 PM

That would mean individual support.
But by keeping it public, everybody could see the responses and maybe have his questions/problems covered too.

Why make it complicated?

southernlady

08-02-2005 04:55 PM

DV, do you know what a HiJack log is? A BHO? Do you know what this line of code means: 40D41A8B-D79B-43d7-99A7-9EE0F344C385 or how to find out whether it's good or bad? Can you do a regedit? Or what this is: hpB4EA.tmp? I do. Liz

Wayne Luke

08-02-2005 05:02 PM

I am going to close this thread as well before it gets out of hand.

While we appreciate your concerns Dark Visor, continually beating a dead horse is not going to get you your way. Like or not, that is for you to decide.

This site has its own internal level of standards, comraderie and set ways in things are done. Making suggestions is one thing but making demands are going to fall on deaf ears.

Every person who releases a hack, add-on, plugin or extension can have it elevated to a premium status. Here the label is on the modification, not the author. They have both premium and non-premium add-ons. It isn't about labeling community members but giving the community additional resources where needed. If you were truly set on improving the community, you would see that. If you have further arguments, then take them up with me in private. Any further "response threads" on these topics and you will lose your forum privileges here permanently.

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