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TruthElixirX 04-15-2005 01:34 AM

Alternatives to MS Frontpage
 
I'm workngi on soem static web stuff for a school project and don't feel liek manually coding in HTML. Does anyone know any free alternatives to Frontpage? Something like open office (I thin kthats what its called) but for web design.

Zachery 04-15-2005 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Punktek.com
I'm workngi on soem static web stuff for a school project and don't feel liek manually coding in HTML. Does anyone know any free alternatives to Frontpage? Something like open office (I thin kthats what its called) but for web design.

Notepad :p

Its much better to code from scratch, none of the wysiwyg editors make complients standards html most of the time.

TruthElixirX 04-15-2005 01:50 AM

I'm not wanting anything fancy. Its for a school project; no one here knows how to make a web site. I throw up a page with a background and text andf I'm god. I just don't feel like hardcoding it. It doesn't need to be standard complient or anything.

Tekton 04-15-2005 01:55 AM

I use notepad.

If I screw up, I switch to Ultraedit

TruthElixirX 04-15-2005 02:05 AM

So there is pretty much no free alternative WYSIWYG editor like Frontpage that you guys know of?

filburt1 04-15-2005 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Zachery
Its much better to code from scratch, none of the wysiwyg editors make complients standards html most of the time.

Dreamweaver always makes XHTML-compliant code for me when you create a document with that setting checked.

Adrian Schneider 04-15-2005 04:53 AM

If it is just for school you can download the trial of dreamweaver. Wouldn't that be 'cheating' though? :)

Revan 04-15-2005 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by filburt1
Dreamweaver always makes XHTML-compliant code for me when you create a document with that setting checked.

Exactly, and for that reason I am using DW to code all my PHP and HTML.

Dean C 04-15-2005 10:17 AM

Give the guy a break, go with the dreamweaver trial :)

The Geek 04-15-2005 10:20 AM

go with DW. Its easier to give yourself an appendectomy with a dull spoon than do anything useful with MS FP.

TruthElixirX 04-15-2005 11:05 AM

Thanks. I'll downlaod the trial. No it isn't cheating. :p. We have to do a report and present it to the class in some form. We chose web site and I'm to lazy to code it all in notepad. :). THanks a to guys.

Princeton 04-15-2005 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by filburt1
Dreamweaver always makes XHTML-compliant code for me when you create a document with that setting checked.

Dreamweaver MX + notepad

yep, MX does produce valid XHTML

eva01_ 04-15-2005 01:54 PM

BBEdit or Taco HTML Edit

they work wonders, i not a fan of DW

deathemperor 04-15-2005 04:27 PM

DW for XHTML, Zend Studio for PHP, Eclipse/JBuidler for Java

long time I haven't seen notepad, I replaced it with EmEditor :|

Rick Grunwald 04-15-2005 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Punktek.com
So there is pretty much no free alternative WYSIWYG editor like Frontpage that you guys know of?

How about nvue? http://www.nvu.com/
Free - wysiwyg - drag and drop etc.

filburt1 04-15-2005 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by deathemperor
DW for XHTML, Zend Studio for PHP, Eclipse/JBuidler for Java

Used to be almost the same for me until I switched from Zend Studio to TruStudio. Also I despise JBuilder; evil buggy expensive bloatware whereas Eclipse is relatively simple and free.

For those of you who think you're gods because you code in Notepad, you're aiming a shotgun at your foot instead. You lose color coding, intellisense popups, real-time syntax validation, line numbering, even auto indenting. If you also think that people who use WYSIWYG editors don't know how to code, think again there, too. I spend something like 90% of the time in Dreamweaver in the code view because I prefer to design the layout in my mind, not in the program (which can't really do CSS layouts yet IMO).

Zachery 04-15-2005 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by filburt1
Used to be almost the same for me until I switched from Zend Studio to TruStudio. Also I despise JBuilder; evil buggy expensive bloatware whereas Eclipse is relatively simple and free.

For those of you who think you're gods because you code in Notepad, you're aiming a shotgun at your foot instead. You lose color coding, intellisense popups, real-time syntax validation, line numbering, even auto indenting. If you also think that people who use WYSIWYG editors don't know how to code, think again there, too. I spend something like 90% of the time in Dreamweaver in the code view because I prefer to design the layout in my mind, not in the program (which can't really do CSS layouts yet IMO).

I use Editpad lite for my html coding.

I don't need syntax highlighting for anything.

tnguy3n 04-15-2005 07:47 PM

on Win OS, I use Editplus for almost all the codings. It got syntax highlight, tab browsing, and almost all features that a coder needs for programming.

twoseven 04-15-2005 08:40 PM

on windows i use notepad/wordpad/crimson editor
it all depends what i'm doing.

tnguy3n 04-15-2005 09:55 PM

I also use ConTEXT, one nice programming tool.

TruthElixirX 04-15-2005 10:35 PM

Thank you all. I've settled on DW for just this project but I'll check soem of the others soon.

deathemperor 04-16-2005 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by filburt1
Used to be almost the same for me until I switched from Zend Studio to TruStudio. Also I despise JBuilder; evil buggy expensive bloatware whereas Eclipse is relatively simple and free.

I've just tried TruStudio, it's like Eclipse but not free, that's bad. And its text highlighting isn't as good as DW I wonder if there's a way to change the way it highlights ?

paulyy 04-16-2005 11:39 PM

Since when was FrontPage free? Anyways, hand code, that way you'll get it to validate and adhere to standards without your editor slapping in loads of deprecated values ;)

Rick Sample 04-16-2005 11:48 PM

I used to use front page, dream weaver, etc in my rookie days :) Over the past couple of years, I've just been using Notepad, may take a little longer to code, but the results are nicer :)

paulyy 04-16-2005 11:53 PM

I still use DW, but not the default install. DW isn't free, but it's very flexible, I love how it allows you to edit default templates, change rules and such. If you know how (Or follow a good tutorial), editing DW is a very wise option.

I hand code most the time though, quite pointless me buying it really, but saves me time (Approx. 2 mins) when setting up new documents, time is money!

filburt1 04-17-2005 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deathemperor
I've just tried TruStudio, it's like Eclipse but not free, that's bad. And its text highlighting isn't as good as DW I wonder if there's a way to change the way it highlights ?

TruStudio is a plugin for Eclipse (which is free). TruStudio Foundation is free. It has some annoying bugs--two that come to mind are incorrect text selection on double-click and occasionally shifting all text left by one character (occurs with the Intellisense sometimes). But Zend Studio was even buggier and had less features so I care less.

deathemperor 04-17-2005 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by filburt1
It has some annoying bugs--two that come to mind are incorrect text selection on double-click and occasionally shifting all text left by one character (occurs with the Intellisense sometimes). But Zend Studio was even buggier and had less features so I care less.

Same here, I'm looking forward to its update when it supports better text highlighting. did you try the licensed one ? I want to know if licensed TruStudio does text-highlight

Princeton 04-17-2005 12:44 PM

it's the developer who creates -- not the tools ...

with the right tool you can build anything ... knowing how to use the tool and taking advantage of what it has to offer can and will decrease development time

time is money

Marco van Herwaarden 04-17-2005 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by princeton
knowing how to use the tool and taking advantage of what it has to offer can and will increase development time

Increase??

Then i am glad i don't know what i am doing, goes much faster. ;)

Princeton 04-17-2005 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MarcoH64
Increase??

Then i am glad i don't know what i am doing, goes much faster. ;)

lol ... fixed :D

Revan 04-17-2005 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by filburt1
For those of you who think you're gods because you code in Notepad, you're aiming a shotgun at your foot instead. You lose color coding, intellisense popups, real-time syntax validation, line numbering, even auto indenting. If you also think that people who use WYSIWYG editors don't know how to code, think again there, too. I spend something like 90% of the time in Dreamweaver in the code view because I prefer to design the layout in my mind, not in the program (which can't really do CSS layouts yet IMO).

I wholeheartedly agree.
I only ever touched the WYSIWYG when I wanted to expand the width of all <td> tags at once (I have since then learned that by using <thead> and <tbody>, I only need to set the width of the first <td> tag that does not use colspan attribute, and the rest will follow.)

Also, Im sure noone codes PHP in DW's WYSIWYG. Yet it is an useful tool for syntax highlighting.
(The first person to mention code rewriting in relation to vB is a goddamn n00b btw)

Also, DW seems to have problems with its highlighting when it comes to <<< tags (or whatnot).


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