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Hi @all,

in the next Weeks we are starting the German vBulletin-Hack-Community as you can see here :

http://www.vbulletin-germany.com/for...ewpost&t=16286

Our new URL will be : http://www.vbhacks-germany.de

Everybody how can speak German is invited to join us and help us to keep the whole vBulletin-Family together.

Everybody who want?s to get his english Language Hacks translated can contact us here.

See you ....

I have the same opinion about this as I do at vBulletin.com.

I wish you luck with your site, but I would not want my own hacks, (my username & GeekyDesigns) released outside of this site or my own.

@Zachery - can you tell me a reason please ?
We just want to release "german" Translations and of course under your Name and to your Honour.

Sorry i can´t understand this Opinion - please give us Reasons.

I havent really started doing many hacks yet, however, i dont see the problem. We release hacks to help people with vbulletin and we dont get paid for it either. So if we allow these people to translate them we'd just be helping more people. Nothing but good can come from this really..........................BUT THATS MY OPINION

Thx .... that?s excactly why i can understand Zachery?s Opinion ... :disappointed:

And Zachery, vBXIrc was one of the first things i want to translate - because i love this Hack .... it makes me sad .... did you really wan?t to lost one of your biggest Fans ? ;) :D

Ohhh ....

http://sourceforge.net/projects/pjirc/

So vBXIrc can?t be under the Hacks you are not allowing us to translate and deliver it.

Hm. So you're really about to try to translate hacks into german. Maybe we should be glad, that you're not about to do that vice versa. Never saw accents in english words before. Besides your lack of understanding how to the tenses.

Don't get me wrong, this isn't flaming. Friendly speaking it's more that I'm worried about correct translations.

[german]Haette Dir das auch im deutschen Forum schreiben koennen, aber ich dachte, es wuerde hier besser rueberkommen. ;)[/german]

As I said on vBulletin.com PJIRC is under the GPL, my intergration is not.

unless you have a similar validation system for licenses like vbulletin.org does then my future hacks will not be released to be translated either

I wanted to note that, If someone does want to translate my hacks they are welcome to, HOWEVER, they may only be released here in the original thread, thats if you want release and support the translation.

At first - we are including a validation Solution ! Of course ... !

@Zachery - if you want or not - one of the GPL Rules are saying definitely that any modification of GPL licensed Software has to be under the same license.
It doesnt make any change if you say that your "Hack" isnt under it.

@all - yes my english isnt so god this Time like that Time i learned it. But it is absolutely good enough to translate English Sentences and words into German.

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He didn't modify the GPL script in question, he just included it with the download. That is perfectly legal.

No - it isnt - he is distributing Parts from a GPL Software. Thats enough.

i would have to see this validation system first hand, before i released my hacks

But the other parts he wrote are not under GPL, so his hack is not under GPL ;)

Only his parts are not under GPL. All other parts are still under GPL (even if he modified it a bit).

Can you redistribute pjirc? sure, can you redistrubte my intergration? no

I think it doesnt matter if GPL or not - the only Thing i dont understand is the reason why you wont give your agreement.

I dont need this translation and i am not really a part of this project, but i spent some time in the past to translate your Hack for my board. What is the problem for you if somebody else would like to help some others and the hackusers dont have to do this crappy work?

I just cant understand your reasons for this behaviour.

redlabour - are you planning on taking everyone's modifications here, without asking them, then releasing it in german on your site?

its his decision he created it, he decides what is done with it.

end of story

If you made a pot out of clay and painted it black and sold it, would you like it I came along and painted it green and resold it? It's called common courtesy and you don't take others work and distribute it unless you have permission :)

I have no issue with the translations itself, I just do not want it released outside of this site.

If you want a german translation I will see If i can provide one myself :)
(I am starting to learn german, and my gf is fluent in german, I'll see if she can take the time to work on it)

Sure, but here is nothing to sell, there are just "presents".


@Zachery: No, i dont need the german translation, i made my own at the time i needed it. I'm just wondering why you react like this.
Sometimes there are coming people together which cant understand each other ;)

i wouldn't want someone regifting things

ok now who actually got that?

They're hardly presents. They are there for people to use, not to redistribute. It's piracy if you look at it that way.

I might have misinterpreted some posts here, but what's the point in asking for permission if the decision will be argued till the end of time? :p

And as for my hack(s), they are all in one way or another using $vbphrase (although RPG isn't fully phrased yet), so when it *is* fully phrased, people are free to redistribute .xml files containing translation in every language they desire :)

Revan you do know that they are saying distribute your entire hack (in a different language) to other sites.

that is how i am taking it

Of course not.

We have a lot of possibilitys :

1. We ask the Coder of the Hack if we can translate and distribute it.

2. If that not works we ask only to translate and give him the Package to distribute it on vbulletin.org. We will make than a german Supportthread at vbhacks-germany.de of course.

3. In cases of GPL licensed Hacks there is no need to ask.

@Zachery - i think you are really misunderstanding the GPL. Please read it again.
Any modification and Redistribution of any Software that is based on GPL licensed Projects must be licensed under the GPL too ! ;)

@all - i think this Discussion here is basing on a complete misunderstanding of our Project :

1. We are nothing else as vbulletin.org - the only thing is - we are supporting in German and Distributing in German for the largest vBulletin Community and we are independent from vBulletin-Germany (for the Beginning !).

2. We don?t want to get your Hacks under our Names. We provide you (!) with the Service to get more Users to your (!) Hacks. Of course we are allways linking to your Site or your Original vbulletin.org Thread.

3. We are not releasing any Hacks we are not allowed to by the Coder !(Exception - GPL or any other License that is allowing it - but of course in anyway the Coder will be informed so that he can link to the German Support in his Hackthreads.).

4. Of course we are working together with vbulletin-germany and we are only starting to distributing Hacks form you or anybody else if we are connected to the License-Database. This will happen in the next few Weeks.

Here is a part of GPL licence :

Article 2 :

These requirements apply to the modified work as a whole. If identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program, and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those sections when you distribute them as separate works. But when you distribute the same sections as part of a whole which is a work based on the Program, the distribution of the whole must be on the terms of this License, whose permissions for other licensees extend to the entire whole, and thus to each and every part regardless of who wrote it.

I thought Zachery work wasn't under GPL licence. After reading this here is my question :

Is the php files wrote by Zachery can be used without the files under GPL ? I don't think so ... It seems the hack is under GPL too.

I know, but I am saying that while I would not like to have the hack offered on another site, .xml translations of the phrases can be offered anywhere.

A general question about the site: If it will offer support for hacks, who will give it? I mean, a hacks site can't know as much about the hack as the author, and some support questions might be "can this be done with the current hack"-ish questions...

redlabour - Let me make it clear. By downloading any modifications here and posting them on your site without the authors written permission, you'll be breaking copyright laws.

Let me quote our footer:
That means that authors have complete copyrights of their code and any unauthorised redistribution of them is against the law and the modification owner is entitled to pursue legal action should they feel the need to.

Your arguement of the GPL license does not apply here. Zachery has intgerated vBulletin with a GPL package, using slight bits of their code. This means he still retains copyrights to it. Therefore you must get his permission to redistribute.

Thankyou for understanding :)

@Dean C - you didn?t read the GPL didn?t you ?

Zachery?s Hack isn?t runable without the PJIRC Files in it - so it is under the GPL.
Zachery has broken the GPL and the Copyright of PJIRC if he does?nt release his Hack under the GPL too. That?s a Fact.

Sorry Zachery - but you are the only example here with a Hack under the GPL. It?s nothing personal. But i think it is important to get clearness in this Thread ..

And @Dean C you didn?t read my complete Postings :

@Revan - is this what you wan?t to tell the german Users that are interested into your Hack but can?t speak english ? Think about it ..... we are not offering. We are providing Service for you (Translating and Marketing in another Language and in another Country) and Service for german Users.
Where is the Problem for you ???

The copyright of this site doesn't apply to hacks which are under GPL.

As redlabour said (and me just before) without PJIRC vbxirc is useless, and must be under GPL licence. Nothing to argue, just read the licence, it's obvious. Then redlabour can distribute the translation only on vbulletin.org by courtesy, but he doesn't have to...

Without vBulletin, vbxirc is useless, therefore you cannot redistribute it based on the GPL license...

Not the good way. You should say without vbxirc vbulletin is useless (we know it's not the case ;)) and vbulletin would be under GPL licence (just a joke ...).

@Dean C ... Hmmm...without OpenOffice my Windows is useless. So OpenOffice has to be under a M$ Licencse ?? :D

Sorry, but the last Thing you wrote was absolutely -> :ninja: ! ;) :D

I voted that I don't want my hacks translated and reposted. Why? Because if something is released under my name, I want to control the quality of it.

Amy

first let me say i don't get the openoffice bit :/ and that windows sucks

that is where whatever his name got the part he quote from the GPL

That should be the otherway around I guess ^^

And similar I ask, what is the problem with just releasing .xml files and tell the users how to download/install the hack?
The whole point of making a hack $vbphrase'd is to be able to provide support for additional languages - and this is what I have been stating I am all for, all along.
What I am against is the taking of the php files, and reposted (although under 100% credit to me) at another site in a language I can only somewhat hold my own in.
Is this difficult to understand? Is this not the entire point of creating .xml files, why the invention of the Phrase system itself?
If you download vBulletin in German, apart from possibly the comments, the .php files changed bugger all. The .xml files changed, and the Phrase language changed. Why would you want to redistribute .php files, when there are those of us who (slowly, but eventually) will make their entire hack fully phrased, and easy to translate?

If you wish to contact me and seek permission for any of my hacks then I see no reason I would not be happy to allow translation of them via option 2.

However, don't bother in the next 7 days as I'm not going to be around. ;)