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GSeybold 12-28-2008 05:56 PM

The Duggar Family Thread
 
The Duggar Family thread. 18 children and probably more.

Have at it.

nexialys 12-28-2008 05:59 PM

parenting, my prefered topic... lol
(ok, i own 14 parenting sites.. lol)

yeah, that big family above all others, a lot of advertising about them, but hey, they wanted it.. lol

actually i'd like to have the same kind of family... my wife too, but our style of life is too complicated to make it happen right now. we have 4, we plan on having others in 2 or 3 years, as we leap each kid with a 2 or 3 years difference from the start.

Lynne 12-28-2008 06:00 PM

The mind boggles at having that many children. Not just having to be pregnant all the time (and breastfeeding for over 18 years!!!), but the noise in the house, the chores to be done, the homework to help with, all the soccer games, marching band practice, food to make (oh my gosh!). When do they find time to even have sex and get pregnant? Sorry, not for me.

Wayne Luke 12-28-2008 06:42 PM

Two kids of my own and a step-son is enough for me.

KevinL 12-28-2008 07:01 PM

2 kids should be the limit

nexialys 12-28-2008 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinL (Post 1695722)
2 kids should be the limit

... "should" ?!.. like in China, the limit to 1 kid or a second chance if you got a girl first, and all your daughters will be disrespected all their life because they worth nothing?

Shelley_c 12-28-2008 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinL (Post 1695722)
2 kids should be the limit

Well, I'd have to disagree with you there, If your a loving parent and take up the responsibility in raising your kid providing for them and making life happy for them then there shouldn't be a limit on how many kids you have, ever, (unless we drastically have an oxygen shortage) or your one of these parents that abuse kids which a sterilization process should be enforced.

GSeybold 12-29-2008 01:26 AM

The parents aren't raising these children, the children are raising the children..

Let's see.... there are 18 children and 24 hours in a day. 8 of those hours are usually spent working, another 2 hour to and from work, getting reading for work and so on. Oh yeah, and time for sex of course.

Hummm.. doesn't even leave one hour of parent time for each child.

Now lets add in the environmental cost of all those diapers, laudrey, heating, cooling, gas and everything else.

I'm all for a big family within reason but this is just gross, especially when the parents keep having sex and sending the responsibility off to the children.

Additionationlly, the mother was told that having more children could kill her due to uterine rupture problems. That kills, and kills quite rapidly. So what is that telling her daughters? Lie down with your husband whenever he's horny-no matter what- no matter what the consequences might be? Lovely. But then again, maybe she's the horney stupid one? Who knows.

I think they are addicted to media attention and the drama that comes with in.
Just gross all the way around....

smacklan 12-29-2008 01:31 AM

So what exactly is your real problem with these people? How have they damaged your life in any way? Would you feel the same if they were Amish (who also happen to have big families) and not on TV?

Shelley_c 12-29-2008 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSeybold (Post 1695987)
The parents aren't raising these children, the children are raising the children..

Let's see.... there are 18 children and 24 hours in a day. 8 of those hours are usually spent working, another 2 hour to and from work, getting reading for work and so on. Oh yeah, and time for sex of course.

Hummm.. doesn't even leave one hour of parent time for each child.

Now lets add in the environmental cost of all those diapers, laudrey, heating, cooling, gas and everything else.

I'm all for a big family within reason but this is just gross, especially when the parents keep having sex and sending the responsibility off to the children.

Additionationlly, the mother was told that having more children could kill her due to uterine rupture problems. That kills, and kills quite rapidly. So what is that telling her daughters? Lie down with your husband whenever he's horny-no matter what- no matter what the consequences might be? Lovely. But then again, maybe she's the horney stupid one? Who knows.

I think they are addicted to media attention and the drama that comes with in.
Just gross all the way around....

You see, We have a problem. Before that post there was next to no information about this family. Remembering that we all don't live in the usa so people are likely to get the wrong idea in what your trying to convey over and the frustration your feeling towards this family and the way they bring up their family. That response would have been better placed in the top thread and a link to some kind of article so we can verify your feelings.

Deceptor 12-29-2008 01:36 AM

Quote:

Now lets add in the environmental cost of all those diapers, laudrey, heating, cooling, gas and everything else.
That was a joke, right?

GSeybold 12-29-2008 01:45 AM

I did put a link there. Not sure where it went. Probablyt my feeble mind. :D Anyone can look up this family online.


"You see, We have a problem. Before that post there was next to no information about this family. Remembering that we all don't live in the usa so people are likely to get the wrong idea in what your trying to convey over and the frustration your feeling towards this family and the way they bring up their family. That response would have been better placed in the top thread and a link to some kind of article so we can verify your feelings."

Decepter.. NOT kidding at all.. If you can't see the environmental factor.. Sorry.. here's a hint... loads of laundry... water and so much more.

For me, I think a big loving family is great but there is a limit in parental time/obligation and the ability to give individual love. In this families case, maybe they have the time for what 10-15 minutes per child/per day. Something like that.

Deceptor 12-29-2008 01:51 AM

So what you're saying then is, if this family never existed, the environment would not be as bad as it is now?

I get your point, but the fact this is 18 people vs the rest of the world is OTT (over the top).

I can honestly say there are single people out there that do more harm to the environment than that family. Even then, the impact made is highly insigificant, and probably not even noticeable. It'd literally be like a pixel on a 100,000KM moniter.

GSeybold 12-29-2008 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deceptor (Post 1696016)
So what you're saying then is, if this family never existed, the environment would not be as bad as it is now? Don't be silly... moderation for everyone, not for just a few.
I get your point, but the fact this is 18 people vs the rest of the world is OTT (over the top).I under your the one person/whole universe argument of course but why contribute?
I can honestly say there are single people out there that do more harm to the environment than that family. Oh yes, that is for sure.

Even then, the impact made is highly insigificant, and probably not even noticeable. It'd literally be like a pixel on a 100,000KM moniter.

Still we(the world) cannot continue this, "One person doesn't matter" mentality. In the long run, collectively, one person does matter.

Deceptor 12-29-2008 02:15 AM

Collectively, yes, we add considerable damage. Which is my whole point, you stab this family just because they are large and in your opinion morally wrong. Yet, there are bigger families out there who don't act the same way, and you say nothing to them.

Hence me asking, was that a joke :p

KW802 12-29-2008 02:22 AM

Here's a good link to start with for those really interested...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duggar_family

From there you can surf out to other other reference sites to form your own opinion if you are not already familiar with this family.

Based upon your views, you will either think they are a by-the-bible far right-wing family that is perfectly normal or you will think they are the result of some fanatical parents that see each additional child as a means of extending their 15 minutes of fame while living off of the donations of others.

Personally I see them as being somewhere in the middle. I believe that they believe that what they are doing is the right thing but 18 kids is a bit extreme (even if they were Amish ;)) and they do seem to enjoy the spotlight. Likely my opinion would be more favorable if they tried to live they life they preach without being so reliant, and so ready to accept, "donations" that likely add up to quite a tidy sum. At this point it seems to be a unintentional self-serving cycle... the more kids they have the more donations they get which allows them to maintain a lifestyle that allows them to have more kids.

nexialys 12-29-2008 11:06 AM

strangely, if you think that asking the olders to help the youngers is a kind of slavery, so i am a slave owner... my 12 years old son is not born to serve, he do it on his own, because he love his sisters and when i need someone to do a task, he is the first one to provide me with support because he is generous.

check on vb.org.. are they all slaves when they offer their help?!... did they have to be worshiped to be happy to help?... it's a way of life, a way of thinking. you have to teach your kids how to behave in society, and if you are against that kind of participation in the life of a family, you tell your kids that helping the others is wrong. pathetic.

this family is over the top, not because they are funny and they help each others, but only because the woman decided that there was enough of miscarriages... she do not take the pill because it's not working for her, and their philosophy is against any restriction on having kids... and if i remember right, the pope is against the same, so 90% of the USA population is cheating its own religion. (which i don't care, women have rights)

the bigger the family, the more support you get from the community... i have only 4 kids, and my neighbours "try" to help me when they can. i always refuse the help because there are other people that need that help, but as i say, i never asked for help, people think i need some. in your family, if you have a cousin in trouble or is really occupied with the kids, will you tell that he/she deserves it because she had to be on pills?!... or you will tell that the kids can come visit you from time to time to give the parents a little break for an afternoon ?!

the general thinking is boring: she have too much kids, she is crazy,they all are. and if they had only 12 ?!... or even 10... would they be that crazy yet?! in the close past, in my country, the Québec, the church was forcing the women to have kids after kids. My mother, they were 14... my father, they were 13 kids... 3 or 4 of each families died after birth because of the poor conditions. that's how our families were built. today, you have 2 kids and you say "it's enough"... and i can say that it's not always the women who say that... men do not think anymore that kids are their spring.

being an animal like we're supposed to be, women would have 10 to 20 birth in their life of 100 years old. without saying a word, they would give birth each time they can, because there is no ethic and no birth control... their goal would be to procreate because mother nature made them that way. do you think that Elephants have a thought about how much babies they have in their life?!... cats the same,...

Wayne Luke 12-29-2008 12:52 PM

Do the Duggar's have to work? Or do they make enough money off their television show on Discovery's Health Channel?

My father was number 5 of 10. My grandmother had two separate husbands though and still ended up raising them on her own. Maybe this family is different but my father's family is very fractured. We don't even go to family get togethers anymore because they always end up in arguing and cursing for some reason. The only time anyone can remain civil is my Grandmother's birthday in October and she is 93 now.

nexialys 12-29-2008 01:01 PM

The Duggar father already had a great job before the first kid, and he decided to handle the whole family in 2002, if i'm right with the dates... they had a good financing then in time, but now as they are sponsored by the tv shows and companies to make their family live properly, they are driven by that and the fahter is working mid-time to keep $ for the future... :)

i also know that the oldest son, who got married this year, told the medias he would not have more than 4 kids... he is not worshiping his father's wills... he have a life of his own, and do not want the medias to follow him all the time.

Rapscallion 12-29-2008 04:30 PM

When the previous one arrived, one of my forumers commented that the mother 'must be a slip and slide after that many'.

For myself, though, I tend to the view that if they can support them and raise them as decent human beings, then I don't really worry too much.

Rapscallion

KW802 12-29-2008 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke (Post 1696360)
Do the Duggar's have to work? Or do they make enough money off their television show on Discovery's Health Channel?

From the wikipedia article...
Quote:

Originally Posted by WikiPedia
The Duggars now say their income is derived from the commercial properties they own [16][17]. The Duggars claim they live debt-free [18][19] which Jim Bob has said is "the fruit of Jim Sammons' Financial Freedom Seminar" he attended years ago. However, charity and donations of food and household appliances ? albeit from private individuals and corporations, not the government ? provides in large part for their lifestyle [17]. Their large house as well was completed on January 20 2006 with aid from Discovery Networks and corporate sponsors.

Poking around some of the linked reference articles, it seems that the family currently refuses to divulge their sources of income; at least one article mentions that besides corporate sponsorship, that they also receive donations from various church organizations.

Random article...
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dallas Morning News
For example, when the family moves into its new home, TLC television will be there to film a program akin to the home-makeover reality shows. Sponsors are donating food for the pantry and appliances, such as washers and dryers. Then, Discovery Health is sending the Duggars on a trip west to Disneyland and a dude ranch.


nexialys 12-29-2008 05:33 PM

actually, the DMN article look like a "Extreme Makeover" project, nothing fancy...

there was more than 250 extreme makeover projects in the last 3 years, with more than 150 000$ budgets for each of them. the Duggar's project was different... there was a followup of their own life way before they start the house moving, and the house was built in 2 years, not a week-end.

sure they had sponsors, but they also are a big family, rich from the begining... the guy can be a marketer or a great advocate, you never know where his money can come from, and actually i don't care...

his family, their big house, that's nothing to trouble anybody else... they stole no money from the hand of the poor, that's all.

Caddyman 12-30-2008 12:47 AM

if you watch the show, and have followed the family, even slightly (my wife makes me watch lifetime) then you know that they DO parent their kids, all of them, exceptionally well, and probably do more with their kids then most parents of 1 or 2 kids do.

exceptional people, all of them, i challenge anyone to have 18 kids as well behaved and adjusted as these are.

Quote:

Hummm.. doesn't even leave one hour of parent time for each child.
Sooooo...they take them ALL to say the zoo, or museum, which they often do, how is that time counted?

Quote:

Now lets add in the environmental cost of all those diapers, laudrey, heating, cooling, gas and everything else.
as opposed to 9 families with 2 kids each or?

Quote:

I'm all for a big family within reason but this is just gross, especially when the parents keep having sex and sending the responsibility off to the children.
just untrue, as Nex explained, the big kids help, like my 5 y.o. helps us with her baby sister...same deal only on a larger scale

Quote:

Additionationlly, the mother was told that having more children could kill her due to uterine rupture problems. That kills, and kills quite rapidly. So what is that telling her daughters? Lie down with your husband whenever he's horny-no matter what- no matter what the consequences might be? Lovely. But then again, maybe she's the horney stupid one? Who knows.
we JUSt watched the show where they had the 18th like 2 days ago, their doctor who delivered the last 3 (i think) was very confident that Mrs. Duggar was perfectly healthy to deliver VIA vbac and again is she so chooses.

Quote:

I think they are addicted to media attention and the drama that comes with in.
Just gross all the way around...
you know what they say about opinions :D

Azhrialilu 12-30-2008 08:33 AM

Interesting thread. Can't say I'd heard of the family before opening this up.

My family is fairly large (not in the league of the Duggars - thank the gods!) I have three stepsons, four daughters and am 8 months pregnant with my fifth. All my kids are well adjusted, every one gets one-on-one time with me or their dad or both if and when they want it. The oldest is 18 in Februrary, the youngest has just turned 1. As I'm sure you can imagine, Christmas was chaotic and LOUD!

I have no problem with this family having a lot of kids - not an amount I personally want. This one is going to be my last.. I've already booked my other half in for the snip ;) We have only one income - my other half works, I stay at home with the kids - we're not on a high wage by any stretch of the imagination, but our kids are happy, contented, clean and well-fed.

Hmm, well I think I lost the plot on where I was going with all that - I'm full of cold, so not thinking straight. I guess my point is that while I personally don't like the idea of giving birth to 18 kids, if all the woman's kids were planned and not accidental pregnancies then fair play to her but having kids does take a toll on the body and she should really start to think about that aspect of things.

lasto 12-30-2008 08:46 AM

lets not judge other families before we take a good hard look at our own.
If they want 18 children and not doing it to get benefits/Handouts etc then who are we to judge.Nothin to do with us at all and if we all kept out of other peoples affairs the world would be a better place.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azhrialilu (Post 1697028)
This one is going to be my last.. I've already booked my other half in for the snip ;)

Obviously u never married a man or he would make u get sterilized.I would get snip for no one.

Wayne Luke 12-30-2008 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lasto (Post 1697037)
Obviously u never married a man or he would make u get sterilized.I would get snip for no one.

I got snipped after my daughter was born. I only ever wanted two children. I might have more than 2 wives though. Not that I am planning to get divorced again. Heck was only planning on having one wife in my lifetime but that didn't work out so well.

snerd 02-05-2010 08:36 AM

The Duggar's are a great Christian family. Ain't nobody's business but theirs how many kids they want to have. America = Freedom, at least that's how it was originally intended. Some of you nanny-staters can't comprehend anything of the sort. Carry on.

KevinL 02-05-2010 01:04 PM

omg this is an old thread

Speysider 02-05-2010 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snerd (Post 1975259)
The Duggar's are a great Christian family. Ain't nobody's business but theirs how many kids they want to have. America = Freedom, at least that's how it was originally intended. Some of you nanny-staters can't comprehend anything of the sort. Carry on.

There was no need to bump this 2 year old thread. Please look at the timestamp of the last post before replying.

ericgtr 02-05-2010 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speysider (Post 1975403)
There was no need to bump this 2 year old thread. Please look at the timestamp of the last post before replying.

IMO it's a question of policy. If they don't want a thread bumped that's years old then archive them or add a mod to auto close after so many months.


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