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GSeybold 12-27-2008 09:21 PM

OMG! Warning your blood will boil community members.
 
Did you know that some countries are allowing thier fisherman to use dogs and cats as live bait for shark hunters? LIVE bait. Sickens me. Where have I been, I didn't know this until today.

Here is the link ... warning some graphic photos half way down the page.

http://www.seashepherd.org/get-invol...tml#la_reunion

Thoughts?

1,000 (Euros)
For the first successful conviction of a fisherman using a dog or cat as shark bait and €200 for each conviction thereafter

Dogs and cats are also involved in an assault on nature, this time as victims and as bait. On the French island of La Reunion in the Indian Ocean, fishermen have been using live dogs and cats as bait for sharks.

This practice is specifically outlawed by French law but the law, as in many places throughout the world, is ignored by fishing communities who apparently believe they are above the law.

The dogs and cats have hooks passed through their snouts or through the tendons in their legs and the hooks are attached to lines and rods. The hapless animals are then tossed into the water where their struggles attract sharks.......

read more...

:eek::eek::eek:

Shelley_c 12-27-2008 09:28 PM

In short, people found guilty of using cats or dogs as bait should have the hook pronged in their ass and cast out onto the ocean as shark bait.

Cruelty to any animals should be enforced with a heavier sentence on what these kind of people get (esp here in the uk).

Bawtneez 12-27-2008 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shelley_c (Post 1695100)
In short, people found guilty of using cats or dogs as bait should have the hook pronged in their ass and cast out onto the ocean as shark bait.

*Agreed*
:)

GSeybold 12-27-2008 09:32 PM

I was thinking more like covered with small papercut type incisions with rusty razarblades, then dipped in alcohol, THEN hooked though their asses and launched in the ocean. OMG i'm just stunned. I think I'm gonna have to act on this one.. Just absolutely sickens me. I cannot believe the US hasn't intervened. Well yes I can what am I saying.

iBardia 12-27-2008 10:20 PM

OMG!

Dogs and cats are living creatures too!

Let's put those guys as Shark Bait! :D

nexialys 12-27-2008 10:24 PM

human beings are animal first, so they have to be considered as equal to dogs and cats when things like this occur... no shark baits please, call the lions, it worth it... ;)

KevinL 12-27-2008 11:41 PM

Ever had shark? It's pretty darn good!

Don't know about using dogs and cats for bait though...

GSeybold 12-27-2008 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinL (Post 1695154)
Ever had shark? It's pretty darn good!

Don't know about using dogs and cats for bait though...


Ah you don't KNOW? WTF? :(

nexialys 12-27-2008 11:56 PM

actually i had 3 mini-sharks in my aquarium at the end... very friendly with the red fishes... they were always running across our master aquarium (100 gallons, half the width of the living room).. the party began when we added living plans in it.. they were fighting with the seaweed... ;)

Shelley_c 12-28-2008 12:10 AM

Any images of the aquarium you have/had nexy?

Could this be the way evolution took it's course after the great shark debait?

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/external/2008/12/9.png

GSeybold 12-28-2008 12:28 AM

I don't know... but the bounty has just been raised. MFers! God I'm so pissed today. Can't get this off my mind.

I don't give a sheet if you like to eat or breed sharks..... ain't the friggen point.

KevinL 12-28-2008 12:54 AM

That cat looks so happy in the water :o

iBardia 12-28-2008 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinL (Post 1695200)
That cat looks so happy in the water :o

It does.

LMAO

lasto 12-28-2008 08:06 AM

I can honestly say it never made my blood boil.
It never affected me one bit and i never found the pictures disturbing.So long as its not your cat or dog then you have nothing to worrie about.
If they kill the dog or cat first then attach the hook you be fine with that as you seem so concerned with live bait - a maggot is live bait yet i dont see you complaining about that and yet that is still Life regardless of size.

GSeybold 12-28-2008 08:31 AM

You know what, just delete this G-Damn thread. I'm about ready to come through my computer. If you don't or can't find a live animal hooked through the jaw, thrown in the ocean, squirming for life, only to frantantically squirm before being chomped to death disturbing well then I don't know what more I can say. Dead or alive, it's utter evil. I just made a substantial contribute upping the G-d reward and if I could , I woul fly there and take out the A-holes myself. String them up by thier balls.. and they certainly have big ones it appears.

Have a good Damn day.

lasto 12-28-2008 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSeybold (Post 1695391)
You know what, just delete this G-Damn thread. I'm about ready to come through my computer. If you don't or can't find a live animal hooked through the jaw, thrown in the ocean, squirming for life, only to frantantically squirm before being chomped to death disturbing well then I don't know what more I can say. Dead or alive, it's utter evil. I just made a substantial contribute upping the G-d reward and if I could , I woul fly there and take out the A-holes myself. String them up by thier balls.. and they certainly have big ones it appears.

Have a good Damn day.

so why your blood not boiling when people go fishing - like i said its still a live animal even if its just a maggot on the end of the line.You cant argue the point on one animal and not on another.

Shelley_c 12-28-2008 11:27 PM

Yup, life is life despite how anyone sees it. Single cell or otherwise. Of course, because we all grew up with cats and dogs it's bound to hit home and affect some people more than most. This is nothing compared to the real crimes against animals yet we are the first to scream out crimes against humanity when infact humanity is a crime in itself. When's the last time you ate a nice chunk of beef? lamb? or any kind of meat. The debate on methods used in fishing for sharks can be argued (and I'm sure it will be) though there will be other opinions expressed and I'm afraid whether you disagree with lasto or not he is correct in what he's said.

And vb.org does not close threads upon request, i know, because i tried to request.

GSeybold 12-29-2008 01:11 AM

J.H.C! We can argue the old worm and single cell theory for ever, that argument got old years ago. Can anyone think of another more 21st century argument with oh, I don't know, 21st TECHNOLOGY in mind? Or perhaps an argument based on blanant cruelty to animals no matter what the species is? Again, the single cell, what if it was a worm, bull sheet is ignorant in this day and age.

To not have these pictures affect you? As in that posters words, quiet frankly, is a check mark in the sociopath column. Look it up.

So I guess looking at a bunch of swollen belly starving Ethopian children doesn't bother you either? Let's just chalk that up to 'oh well", that's just part of life. Just part of waring factions."

Shelley.. There is nothing "correct" in what he said. This mentality is nothing more than an excuse to do nothing with a half assed evolution based reason.

Shelley_c 12-29-2008 01:27 AM

Is it now a theory? Last time I checked it was def a fact. If you thought for a moment the abundance of threads where going to be met with a :) & :D then you don't really don't know how the majority of the outcomes are more likely to be. Sure, we can argue and debate all day long about the single cell theory your stating it to be and how insignificant other life forms are compared to the cruelty of cats and dogs used as shark bait.

Was I affected by the images, I wasn't, why would I be?. Being realistic rather than hoping to make some kind of difference is wishful thinking. And the sad reality of it is, you know this yourself.

If that bothers you, You shouldn't be posting topics close to your heart.

GSeybold 12-29-2008 01:32 AM

My heart? Ok.. Well this is more than a heart issue. It's a basic humanity issue.

" Being realistic rather than hoping to make some kind of difference is wishful thinking. And the sad reality of it is, you know this yourself'
No I don't know this. "Hoping to make a differnence'' If we don't try. then we fail.. This is by no means wishful thinking. Sitting back and doing nothing while the rest of the world tries to fix things, is repulsive. Which is 98% of the world.. hate to see stuff, but don't get off their asses or pull out thier wallets to help. Just sit back with their "Wishful thinking mentalit, with their' It's never going to change so why bother" thinking.

OH and I did something about this alright. I'm very proud to be in that do something 2%.

smacklan 12-29-2008 01:39 AM

I find it interesting you are bothered by this and at the same time equally bothered by a loving family that chooses to have lot's of children and raise them in a safe and nourishing environment. Strikes me as quite odd.

Shelley_c 12-29-2008 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSeybold (Post 1695994)
My heart? Ok.. Well this is more than a heart issue. It's a basic humanity issue.

" Being realistic rather than hoping to make some kind of difference is wishful thinking. And the sad reality of it is, you know this yourself'
No I don't know this. "Hoping to make a differnence'' If we don't try. then we fail.. This is by no means wishful thinking. Sitting back and doing nothing while the rest of the world tries to fix things, is repulsive. Which is 98% of the world.. hate to see stuff, but don't get off their asses or pull out thier wallets to help. Just sit back with their "Wishful thinking mentalit, with their' It's never going to change so why bother" thinking.

OH and I did something about this alright. I'm very proud to be in that do something 2%.

Let me assure you, I donate thousands a year but why I should state that here should be my own privilege, do i think I can make a difference? No. Realistically we won't. There's more self serving people out there than those who want to change this world it's the way humanity is as a whole. And this 2% your pulling out from where? I think you'll find that is being a little generous and the % is far lower than what your stating. Show me those statistics?

Assuming people sit on their asses because they have a different outlook to a problem is being a little presumptuous? Like I stated, Realistic thinking and actions will wield better results in the long run. If that repulses you that is your privilege.

And so you should be. Proud that is. It's a nice gesture, But with that donation, How much % of that goes to employees working for this organization you donated to?

Digital Jedi 12-29-2008 03:57 AM

My blood boils for a lot of things. I personally wouldn't torment an animal like that and think it's kind of abysmal, but at the same time I realize I'm splitting hairs while I sit here and eat the chicken I just fried yesterday afternoon. I don't think it's right, but somehow, I can't get as worked up over this as I can, say, about things like these:

http://www.savedarfur.org/pages/background/
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/wo...8zimbabwe.html
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cvict_v.htm

Keep in mind, I'm not trying to belittle the point. I think it's abysmal. Just trying to offer a little perspective as to why this wouldn't move everyone in the same way.

aus_dave 12-29-2008 05:51 AM

You're about 3 years too late - it's another internet hoax based on an isolated occurrence and given way too much attention:

http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/sharkbait.asp

Put Snopes in your bookmarks :rolleyes:.

Digital Jedi 12-29-2008 07:06 AM

Okay, I never actually looked at the pictures. There's no way a dog would stay attached to a hook like that through his snout dangling from a boat. That dog was tangled in a fish hook accidentally.

lasto 12-29-2008 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSeybold (Post 1695976)
So I guess looking at a bunch of swollen belly starving Ethopian children doesn't bother you either? Let's just chalk that up to 'oh well", that's just part of life. Just part of waring factions."

i brought the band aid record and done my bit :) - only kidding course it bothered me but not enough to affect my everyday life.(I do like the sad music on the adverts though :) )
People give money but where is the aid going because i remember 20 yrs ago when this was going on and nothing changed to this day.They still starving while us in the west have a massive obese problem.Go figure.
Would you have a kid knowing that there was no food to support it - yet these people do so education is proberly the way forward.Teach them the basics such as birth control so no more children have to endure what there parents go though.


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