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Roms 12-16-2006 02:09 AM

I'm not the only one....
 
Branding is fine, hell I do it all the time but not everything needs to titled with a brand: "Brand's blog"; "Brand's network"; "Brand's addon"..... and have every other word in the hack say your Brand name...... "Brand Message!"

Give it a title according to what it does. Add your copyright etc. to the footer.... But naming every single hack after your brand is old and now there are more and more doing it...

Honestly, we aren't allowed to sell our goods here so why are we allowed to brand our hacks and then when people are hooked we discontinue service and move our brand off site.

Preventive maintaince, nip it in the but before it's a problem....

call me an ass for speaking up but it seems to me people are taking advantage and it needs to stop. if it's a portal, blog, or a hack call it what it is.... leave the branding for the copyright and other items.

Or, just act like cattle and do what everyone else does...

hotwheels 12-16-2006 02:46 AM

great point roms..........

Talisman 12-16-2006 03:04 AM

Can certainly understand the sentiment. The amount of blatant self-promotion that goes on here nowadays is really sad.

peterska2 12-16-2006 11:39 AM

It really depends on what way it is used.

For example, lets say vBPlaza

Now if you released an add on for vBPlaza called "posts in usercp" what would you call it in the thread title?

Remember that without a good title people don't know what it is about.

Another thing to consider is that not everyone wants to make there products commercial. There are people who want to make good modifications and keep them released here and here only.

Roms 12-16-2006 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peterska2 (Post 1139688)
It really depends on what way it is used.

For example, lets say vBPlaza

Now if you released an add on for vBPlaza called "posts in usercp" what would you call it in the thread title?

Remember that without a good title people don't know what it is about.


Another thing to consider is that not everyone wants to make there products commercial. There are people who want to make good modifications and keep them released here and here only.

I agree with that statement. Some people are out of control. That's like you taking every hack you've made and giving it your brand name, that would be a lot of hacks.... LOL

RedTyger 12-16-2006 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roms (Post 1139739)
I agree with that statement, but if you were to take every modification you've made and add the "Vbonjour" branding to every title it would fall into the category I'm talking about.

Why is that a problem? Makes it a lot easier to find if you're searching for it, makes it a lot easier to notice if you're not looking for it.

Overbranding annoys me a lot, but it's not like it doesn't have a good purpose used properly. You get what you pay for...

peterska2 12-17-2006 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roms (Post 1139739)
I agree with that statement. Some people are out of control. That's like you taking every hack you've made and giving it your brand name, that would be a lot of hacks.... LOL

eek yeah. It'd take too long to change them all anyway :p

Seriously, I know exactly what you mean. Add ons and that are one thing, but branding just for brandings sake can get a bit OTT sometimes.

da420 12-17-2006 01:00 AM

What's wrong with branding?

We get free WELL SUPPORTED (usually) hacks.
Coders get name recognition, and more traffic to their site.

Look at Zoints for a prime example. David releases many wonderful hacks FOR FREE for this fine community, and he gets name recognition and an increased bump in traffic at his own website. Honestly, what is wrong with that?

Roms 12-17-2006 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by da420 (Post 1140052)
What's wrong with branding?

We get free WELL SUPPORTED (usually) hacks.
Coders get name recognition, and more traffic to their site.

Look at Zoints for a prime example. David releases many wonderful hacks FOR FREE for this fine community, and he gets name recognition and an increased bump in traffic at his own website. Honestly, what is wrong with that?

All things in moderation are fine... If you over do it that's called "taking advantage". Don't get me wrong I like and use many branded hacks but there is a line that is being crossed and those who are doing it know it.

peterska2 12-17-2006 01:13 AM

Using myself as an example here (and willing to be shot down for doing so), if I took every single one of my releases and branded them as "peterska2 forums and chill out zone" which just so happens to be the name of my site like zoints is the name of DChapman's site, then not only would the titles be extremely long, but due to the sheer amount of releases everyone, including myself, would be fed up seeing them after 30 mins.

Can you imagine having the following in the thread listing?

peterska2 forums and chill out zone - Show No Permission Message If User Cannot View Others Threads In A Forum

or

peterska2 forums and chill out zone - vBonjour - Latest threads via RSS Add On

The length of these is crazily long, and even with a short existing title it would not explain what the modification actually does.

A brand name doesn't explain what a modification is, and doesn't help with anything other than advertising your site. A modification name should be to the point and give a consise description of the modifications function.

Paul M 12-17-2006 01:25 AM

[high]* Paul M starts modifying all his mods to say Paul-M's xxxx ...... :)
[/high]

Generally I don't notice it, but some people (recently) do seem to go OTT to the point of annoyance - but that's up to them, I don't see what actual harm it does.

peterska2 12-17-2006 01:30 AM

Paul, if both of us did it then the place would be completely flooded. :p

Roms 12-17-2006 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 1140063)
[high]* Paul M starts modifying all his mods to say Paul-M's xxxx ...... :)
[/high]

Generally I don't notice it, but some people (recently) do seem to go OTT to the point of annoyance - but that's up to them, I don't see what actual harm it does.

^ Exactly! That's what I'm saying....

Don't get me wrong, There are some fine hacks out there. If Kerry or Paul branded their hacks I would still use them but it would look funny having "Paul M's Guest visits today" and "Paul M's who posted" and I don't know how many others on my site...

peterska2 12-17-2006 01:40 AM

With 58 releases from Paul M and 70 from me, it would look very odd inded. There's others with a fair few releases too.

In fact, in counting the releases there, I noticed that there is only one out of the 128 releases from us both combined which is prefixed with a username and thats my Christmas style I made last year for 3.5.x which IIRC was simply because I couldn't think of a name for it.

Paul M 12-17-2006 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roms (Post 1140070)
I would still use them but it would look funny having "Paul M's Guest visits today" and "Paul M's who posted" and I don't know how many others on my site...

Fortunately (for all of us) that's never going to be a problem. :cool:

Ntfu2 12-17-2006 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roms (Post 1139534)
Branding is fine, hell I do it all the time but not everything needs to titled with a brand: "Brand's blog"; "Brand's network"; "Brand's addon"..... and have every other word in the hack say your Brand name...... "Brand Message!"

Give it a title according to what it does. Add your copyright etc. to the footer.... But naming every single hack after your brand is old and now there are more and more doing it...

Honestly, we aren't allowed to sell our goods here so why are we allowed to brand our hacks and then when people are hooked we discontinue service and move our brand off site.

Preventive maintaince, nip it in the but before it's a problem....

call me an ass for speaking up but it seems to me people are taking advantage and it needs to stop. if it's a portal, blog, or a hack call it what it is.... leave the branding for the copyright and other items.


Or, just act like cattle and do what everyone else does...

Its what the community has become. Come learn everything you can keep it to yourself in private. Release a lite version, get people hooked. end production cylce and release as a paid mod.

Talisman 12-17-2006 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ntfu2 (Post 1140155)
Its what the community has become. Come learn everything you can keep it to yourself in private. Release a lite version, get people hooked. end production cylce and release as a paid mod.

Even the paid mods fizzle out now. And after they stop supporting the premium mod everyone paid for, nobody else wants to touch it.

phill2003 12-17-2006 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roms (Post 1139534)
Branding is fine, hell I do it all the time but not everything needs to titled with a brand: "Brand's blog"; "Brand's network"; "Brand's addon"..... and have every other word in the hack say your Brand name...... "Brand Message!"

Give it a title according to what it does. Add your copyright etc. to the footer.... But naming every single hack after your brand is old and now there are more and more doing it...


I dont see that you have anything to complain about, If you write your own hack feel free to call it whatever you want but you must give the other hack writers the same freedom. They invest the time then release it here free and you have the cheek to complain about how they title the hacks :confused: gosh if you dont like it make your own :)

Ziki 12-17-2006 03:56 PM

You mean like I prefix all my hacks with ZH - ?It is just a signature for me

Ntfu2 12-17-2006 04:52 PM

I think he is referring to what appears on the forums pages. Not just the release name.

Ziki 12-17-2006 05:16 PM

Well what do you mean?


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