You just want a pissing match, find another to play.

Cheers.

I dont think he meant anything negative by that.

Lets all chill - we dont even know if we are all on the same page yet :)

Guys come down. The inevitable is coming. To our success!!!

You are showing off like a smartass. If you have that mutch money, why dont you hire one fulltime. There is a lot of good candidates. :rolleyes:

Ok - As excited about this as we all are, let's drop the tone some ok?

The next bad word from anyone gets this thread closed ;)

Chris

Sorry, but i dident find a more propper word.It wont happend again, i think. Perhaps. :o

I wasn't solely referring to you :)

Chris

Ok, then im not sorry fore calling him what i did. :devious:

If you guys need hosting I own a hosting company also, so just let me know.

Lots of replies to this one over night, havn't had time to catch up on them all yet but I have skimmed over them. :)

The staff here is currently having a discussion about the issue, just wanted to let it be known so you guys know you're not begin ignored. :)

Thank-you for the update Brad - I'm looking forward to learning the results of your discussion.

This has taken on a life of it's own already it seems.

Too many replies to read, but it seems the staff (some of them anyway) have set up another forum between themselves. What is going on exactly, is this a breakaway ?

No this is not a breakaway :)

Chris

pointless post..

Did you know it's spelled ogre!
or did you mean .org 'ers
so are we all .org'ers or ogres? :D

I think we'll all be .org'ers for a long time to come. Change is hard.

yup, I havent mastered the fine art of making such profound posts as this yet.

Than again im trying!
Aside from Being Mr. Bad Grammer, there actually was wit planted in there - perhaps when I make better posts it will come out clearer.

Thanks!

I think we all need a little bit of an orgy..a food orgy, foam party orgy, or fun orgy sadly nothing sexual as the under 18's here wouldn't be allowed :-) Before this thread gets way tooo serious.

Hanif

Oh, okay. I just saw a link to the site, looked at showgroups and it seems to be the same 'staff' as here (minus a few). I guess I'll work out what it's all for when I have time to read some more posts.

Guys,

Sorry to be a wet blanket here, but the whole 'licensing' thing hasn't been addressed (that I have seen). vB uses the licensing system to stem piracy (as best they can) by only allowing licensed users to download.

Wouldn't selling hacks to forums that could potentially be pirated not be a problem for Jelsoft in this?

Some thoughts ...
It's a different scenerio if you have a not for profit .org and then create a paid venue to raise funds

vB.com is a commercial enterprise that provides .org as a free service.
This provides ...
- a place to direct non support requests that vB are not willing = nor obliged to provide.
- a place where a volunteer community infuses new ideas and applications into vB software.

vB.com benefits greatly from it's community of free mod/hack/plugin providers, which expands the versatility and consumer base of it's product.

If vb had hired a team to do this work it would have cost big bucks, which could have either
- spread their resources out too thin and could have been detrimental to the development of the core software
or
- put themselves into a favorable position of having a product with many additional new features/plugins, and added income income from specialized plugins...

Of note ... vB.com has not yet provided any plugins, free or paid.
But we know they are going to ... to what extent, we don't know.

If vB.com is to keep on top of the competitive edge it will need to periodically offer free new plugins, formerly also known as ... new features.
If plugins cost more and more, the consumer will shop around for an application that includes the plugins that they need.

vB may offer more advanced paid plugins, tailored to a specific consumer audience or need, but there will always be competition from other free and paid products.

vB needs to find a way to further reward and provide incentive to it's community of mod/plugin providers.

I would have hoped that tried and trustworthy mods/plugins would have made it into a vB support arena, ... ie, vB provides paid staff to assist with free/stable plugin support.

~ Mark

Nor does it need to be addressed. To be blunt, that concern belongs to Jelsoft and no one else. If they choose to be part of the solution, then I'm sure no one will have any complaint to a download area open to licensed users only.

But if they choose not to be part of the solution, then they can't reasonably expect any developer to make Jelsof's concerns theirs.

It would be interesting that after you money seekers have made your wad and Jelsoft pulls all of the licences and goes out of business.

vBulletinservices.com will not be selling hacks...

Chris

Yeah, I don't think the commercial product companies would sell the forum one product and then they sell it...that dosen't make sense.
Just a place that has information and links to commercial products would be the way to go, hell even free ones, whatever floats your boat.

Maybe I just notice it more when I pay money for something and it sucks or support for it sucks and if I get something for free and it sucks and/or support sucks it doesn't make much of a difference to me.

And my point wasn't that money makes no difference, only that sometimes it doesn't matter if someone is getting paid to work, if they're not good at their job or they have poor work ethic then its likely their product will reflect that.
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Looks like vbulletinservices.com will just be another place for people to advertise their hacks. I must say as a consumer I'm more interested in a .org type site with paid hacks.

I think that would stop coders from using one site to advertise something then having copy hacks from other coders at their personal site. If its all taken care of on one site you can use the professional type courtesy you see here between a lot of coders by not reproducing many hacks, giving credit to shared/inspired work, etc.

Maybe livewire can incorporate something like this into his vbhackers.com site?
Make some paypal mod that in order to download the hack you have to pay first or something. Maybe a royalty share where the site gets a small % of each sale, or a 1 time fee for releasing hacks there (or per hack?)

I also think it'd be good to have the site be run/owned by non vb staff. Or maybe have some on the staff but make the head be someone independent. (I don't really know why I think it'd be good actually, but maybe to avoid any conflict of interests or accusations)

anyways, that's my 2 cents.

I don't use the vB reputation system, so don't know whether it could be used to rate coders who have provided free hacks.

There must be a way to rate, and give more commercial exposure to contributors. I for one would be more willing to seek the (edit: paid) services or products of free plugin providers that I use

We have installed our first plugin and anticipate installing more, and it would be very helpful to have somewhere to view profiles of free hack/mod/plugin providers based on certain criteria of quality and integrity of their contributions to vB.org.

Easier said then done?

*side note:

interesting to note how mods have removed links to my site and labelling it as spam, even though they are not posted by me, nor instigated by me.
hmm.
i wonder what this means.

the links in this thread or elsewhere?
and what site.. ** Link clearly only posted to spam **?

Ok, I was going to stay out of this but now it has gone too far. ;)

15 posts and now you're an expert on whether this site would survive or not? LOL

This site is not going to die or dwindle no matter how successful or not a paid hacks site would be. This place has survived a heck of a lot more than this and is still flourishing. Over 100,000 members strong and the few that have replied in this thread are going to bring it down? Wake up guys and gals! ;)

@ jmw - If you don't like free hacks, don't use them, but please don't try to belittle the authors that do them. A hack doesn't have to be paid or big to be good if it does what you want, free or not.

Good luck guys, I hope you do at least well enough to survive, but I have a feeling that egos will abound and we will see you all back here soon. This has happened before, where authors have gone out and set up sites to sell addons, and some have done very well, but the majority end up back here sooner or later. ;)

Don't worry Paul, you won't find me there, not even on visiting days. ;)

On your bike you muppet. :mad:

And let's not forget something, some, of those "free hacks" were made by the same people who are now talking about going commercial

somehow i doubt he thought about it enough to realize that by dissing all free hacks hes also dissing the people he's been so....enthusiasticly.....encouraging and supporting

<moseys through the thread and takes all of the "2 cents" to go to buy a burger>

One question. Is this based on jmw comments, that you guyes get so exited?
Ore is this confirmed that there are so many who have the opertunity to bye hacks?
Im so happy that there are so many good free hackers here. Who provide exelent stuff that me myself cant do.
More power to yaah.


"Originally Posted by jmw
Free hacks are low quality. Free hacks are for phpbb and other low quality forums"

This is a really stupid ignorens thing to say.

If you don't like free hacks then DON'T USE THEM!!!!
Oh and by the way thanks for insulting ALL the coders here, including those that have gone commercial.
We release stuff here that we could have kept private (and some do) to have something unique in our forums - but no, we like to share, and this is the "thanks" we get. oook...
I could say a lot more but I don't want to be considered "flaming". :devious:

I think there is a big problem. The staff, ore most of them seem to already made up there mind.

As a website owner/developer who depends on vB and the hacks written for it, I can see the value in allowing commercial hacks to be displayed on this site. However, I also see the danger in allowing commercial hacks to wipe out the free ones. It's already pretty difficult to get a hack written for free around here since the "payed request" section opened. Things have already changed around here. There's no denying it. Commercial hacks are here to stay, and coders will begin devoting more time to it and less time to the free stuff.

A solution that makes everyone happy? Allow commercial hacks to be promoted here, but ONLY if there is a dumbed-down free version of the same hack available from the coder (released at the same time). This way, they are still offering a service to the users here AND are able to promote their commercial version for a chance to be payed for their time. This should ensure that the coders continue to spend time producing free hacks while they devote time to the commercial hacks too. This should at least keep them from completely dropping all work on free hacks if they want to be able to promote their commercial hacks here.

Thoughts?

Though I see what you are saying its like making a requirement for the users of free hacks to buy every third one.

Some work can not be made LITE and supporting and maintaining LITE and PRO versions can drive you salivatingly mad. People should not be forced to give up their time for nothing. If they can, then we should support them, if not we should support them. Either way we should support those that offer us tools we feel make vBulletin better.

Thanks

It's kinda hard to dumb down a hack.

Plus ca change
Plus c'est la meme chose

I have a few hacks in the works some which can have lite versions and some that cant.

Running two version of the same hack can be crazy mad at times lol.