Chris, Geek, MPDev: I, uh, can handle the domain... I'll pony up the various "vbProfessional.xxx" domains for the project. ;) If this takes off I'll be more than happy to transfer the domains to the organizing body. Between us we all have a bunch of server resources so it's just a matter of drawing straws to see who wants to host it. I can volunteer time & resources as well. As long as the project remains neutral I think it'll succeed.

I apologize. I meant "some of the geeks". I hope something good comes out of this thread.

Vbulletin should get rid of all this FREE hack non-sense which doesn't benefit the majority of vbulletin customers and frustrates them. WE NEED PAID HACKS! Free hacks are low quality. Free hacks are for phpbb and other low quality forums, not for gorgeous and powerful vb.

I bet if somebody opens a vbulletin paid hack site, this forum would die.

So far we already have the domain (www.vbulletinservices.com) and if anyone wants to buy the others and hand them over, it won't be turned down ;) :D

I'm using my licence for it, and Zachery has provided us with some hosting, so we're raring to go :)

It'll take a day or two to get it fully setup but its going well already :)

Chris

damn you

Pass protected it :nervous:

Sweet! You sure know how to make a man cry! LOL! Hey, start with a "paid to post" plugin to get some boards MOVING!! New boards and some old boards need that. I need that too! Just imagine newbies frustrated with their new board not getting any members... This hack is HOT! Look at the boost www.webmastertalk.in got with their paid to post hack in a few weeks.

Hi, Chris. I'd be happy to offer whatever I can in the forum of support - financial or otherwise (I'd volunteer to help moderate/administrate such a site, as well).

Nice of you to off KW802, I think the domain vbprofessional.com has a nice ring to it.

same here :)

I think this idea is going to encourage many folks that don't have the time or perhaps talent to try and make a quick buck off vBulletin customers.

If you can't get a paid biz going from your exposure to the community helping, teaching and releasing code to prove yourself, you probably are not ready to be a professional. Having a site you can just join, and almost seem endorsed by, will not make the releasers coders and/or supporters. In fact trying to maintain that level of quality in such a site would be impossible at best IMO.

This place aint going nowhere, it's here to stay you can be sure.

Do not be afraid, offering professional services is not the end of the world - it's simply opening up a new one that vBulletin customers can use to their advantage.

I think the opposite - I think that capitolism will determine the ultimate success or failure of individual works. If someone puts up a mod that isn't worth what is being asked for, then people won't buy it.

The marketplace (i.e. you, the customer) determine weather a product is worth it's price - not the publisher.

I have vbulletincoders.com, but Chris you would have to get permission to use it from vbulletin.

Hi everyone,

As discussed in my previous post here, the preference of the Crawlability team would be for a supported commercial area here at vb.org in order to further support the community.

However, if you plan to launch a new forum as a centralized location for information on premium vB hacks, etc., we are prepared to support the effort.

I am willing to provide a portion of the funding required to launch and maintain the project including:

• vB license fee
• monthly hosting
• advertising budget (AdWords, etc)

I will also make the Crawlability team available to assist with various tasks and provide promotion from www.vbseo.com. And, of course, the offer would not be complete without a free copy of vBSEO 2.2.0 for the forum. :rolleyes:

Please forward me a cost assessment when available.

P.S. (To the moderating team) Have discussions in the internal moderation forums reached any consensus on whether or not vb.org will consider creating an area for commercial promotion?

o.O Wow.

Now that is what I call team work!

That is business in general. If a person needs vBulletin to have an official site for paid hacks to succeed, they have failed already!

This is way out of proportion IMO. All we need is a good introductions forum where anyone can post their resume. Tell the community who they are and their experience and show their contributions to the community and announce they are a professional and for hire if so.

End it there, we already can have links in our sigs to paid work. vBulletin is already putting lot up for us to benefit from if you look around.


No offence, but this is why this will fail. All the alpha minded folks will want control and be able to use it to their benefit. There will never be an objective way to pull this off. Favoritism will provail.

I can see why Jefsoft wouldn't touch this with a ten foot pole!

I believe you are totally wrong. This would make life easier for us majority of vbulletin owners, by dedicating our time to productive tasks, rather than wasting time chasing "some" coders to update their free and buggy scripts. Paid is the way to go. The world works with money. Throw money at the problem and everybody will be happy.

Chris - count me in. Anything I can offer financialy or codeily.

Saying that, I would suggest that it would be wise to all get together in a forum or on IRC to discuss objectives and a forward plan. It could be foolish to be too hasty at this stage.

(saying that, im like a giddy 8 year old on x-mas eve ;) "just open the damn thing already!")

so we can count you then noppid ? ;)

Are we talking about the same thing?

If you have to chase a coder, you failed as a consumer. If you got free code that broke, then you got what you paid for!

If you want to pay for code and your coder can't show you a home site and or email address where you can find them, they you again failed as a consumer. I suggest you use folks with references that have been around at least a year, perhaps two or three and have an established site and customer base to prove their worth.

You don't need a special site to find that, you need to be a smart consumer.

then get an IRC channel made and we will come :p :ninja:

hehe. Not my bag baby. Hell, I havent been on IRC since I was introduced to mIRC in 1997 :)

Maybe if the above forum could be setup for initial discussions that would work best. Othersie I am more than happy to set up a private discussion forum at thevbgeek.com

Go for it..since the one Chris has chose wont be up for a day or two :(

I'm installing the forum as I type this :) (stupid slow internet connection -.-)

Should be up within the next hour for discussion purposes :)

Chris

Hurry up! :p

This is getting interesting.

Seems a bit premature to declare failure based on people's willingness to get involved and when no planning has been done.

Great! I'm sick of free hacks! I got the wallet ready! In 6 months let's look back and see whether was worth it or not. You guys are gonna become gazillionaires! We need you!!

I'm prodding my ADSL modem but I don't think it's helping any :p

Chris

I am behind you guys all the way. I will more then likely be having a nice section on my site as well just becuase of all the other crap it is gonna offer it just makes sense.

Thats great Chris, let us know when we can start discussions.

I declared going down a particular avenue would bring failure. I believe that there would be "insiders" and bias going with that plan.

I did not say this venture "would" fail at all possible inceptions of it.

It's gonna be a hard site to manage, most sites don't invite people to post out bound links. This forum will be mostly professionals saying I have this hack over here and linking to it.

I know I'm not posting my for sale code anywhere. How about the rest of you?

I'm at work.... no IRC for me until I get hom. :tired:


Edit: Err... make that "until I get home."

I doubt anyone would pay for minor code modifications or simple mods themselves; then again, the market would determine that, wouldn't it? But there are some very successful products which integrate with vBulletin that are available for purchase which would fit into the category of Paid Addons.

LOL ..... everything goes paid eventually it`s a fact of life ....

So is the fact that everything comes back :) ... Sourceforge .. Firefox .. Winamp ... Opera ... All opensource/freeware, and closing in on the paying market ....

Personal opinion.. I don`t blame you guys for goin for it, but the world is not short of coders or people with the willingness to learn how to code.

Seem to also have heard a lot on the subject of 'professionalism' .... If someone releases a free hack, is this classed as an unprofessional and I quote 'buggy' product? Some programs I would classify under this catagory, however some I would most definatly not. Lets take explorer for example. Not a legal peice of software and buggy as hell. Thought I would pick that one as an example since you are all web developers and probably know this more than most.

:)

Justice is being done for all non-coders.

Don't get me wrong here - I am still most likely going to be releasing my code modifications for free here on vB.org and supporting the free community - There is a need for it and we wouldn't have any paid modifications without it...

But I recognise the need for somewhere like I'm trying to get setup; Without it we'll lose people to other forum softwares and eventually lose more coders that turn commercial :(

I am not saying I'll never have any paid modifications; I'm just saying that anything I release here will remain free :)

Chris

Actually, you were pretty clear about what you meant when you wrote, "No offence, but this is why this will fail."

I think that an organized and well thought out approach will ultimately provide a valuable resource for vBulletin owners and may actually improve the level of products being offered.

We've already proven that paid addons for vBulletin can be very successful; why ignore the marketplace?

I have used hacks witch is free and i have paid fore it if i really want it.
This is my choise, and thank good that i can have this choise.
v.org has a very large group of really good coders. The most of them is giving us help right away and keeps up with the upgrades.

There is one time i got a littel confused about a hack. And that was because it was promissed. Promissed and promissed. And in the end the hack was usless without the rest.

It is not quite easy to be a newbi here, because some of you are so good with the coding that you forget that not everyone is just as good.
I really is thankfull fore all the hacks you guyes and girls make. But i did a mistace by making a thread once to say thank you to a coder. Because i was impressed by his fast work and his devoting to be a great coder.
A angry moderators told me that, that was the reason we have pms. ;)

Ok, i understand that. But sometime you coders need to hear that you are aprishiated perhaps.

Sorry fore my bad english, just wanted to say my 2 cents. :)

And I just explained the one "this". :ermm:

But it looks to me that is not going to be the case already. I like that a non paid hack person is going to try and run the forum.

Don't try and twist my one disagreement into being a doom sayer, It's not working.

I'm eager to see where this goes. I have no reason to not embarce a place to hawk my work.

Time to leave work early Kevin ;)

And how do you know he's the only one in on it? its not even up yet..keep such comments to yourself until you can actually prove something.

http://www.vbulletinservices.com/forum/index.php

Forum is up for idea discussion :)

Chris

Chris, might want to stick an index.php in your root.