Since when did Jelsoft turn it's business into a political democracy where the customers run it?

I see people citing this poll as if it's actually scientific or endorsed.

I've been good about this, but trust me, I have volumes to say.

If this new forum that is up was started by me or the geek, this thread would be dead.

I submit, and I don't care how unpopular this sounds, that this thread lives because two people that work here can profit from it.

Us "customers" would never be allowed 50 pages of setup advertising.

That's how .org is run and it is not going to change.

I'm going back to work. Cheers.

Change takes time, this is not something that will happen over night. For example we have been discussing this amoung the staff (that includes vBulletin.com staff) going back to at least July, if not longer. Why havn't you seen any action? Because it's still an on-going discussion.

There is nothing stoping you or anyone else from setting up your own forum for this purpose.

True if we were to charge commercial authors a fee to run ads here the staff members could profit from it. But I'd rather see such money used to buy things we would give away to the membership here (coding books, software, stuff like that). Honestly if I was looking to make money from Jelsoft I'd be spending more of my time answering support questions at vBulletin.com and less of it doing the day to day work needed to run this website.

Bingo.

10-foot pole and track-record are 2 terms that come to mind :D

Just for the record, my post has no negetive or positive conotation. It's just a statement of fact.

I think I'm on record as saying the setting works fine for me.

This is not the problem.

I don't need one, nor did I ask for one. Oh wait, I made one 4 years ago!

You dodged the point in your reply turing it back on me. The point was, you and the staff can promote an upcoming commercial venture, but we can't. I am certian if "I" opened that new forum, this thread would be closed and my links removed. Oh wait again, that already happened.

If I came off negitive towards you I apologize, I did not mean it in that way.

No problem. I'm not for this change. I know personally what kind of politics this will bring to the forum. It's not a good atmosphere IMO.

Alot of motives can be concieved from those that support this and alot of interesting facts have gotten away from being facts the more this thread goes on.

I have dodged nothing, it was simply a statement of fact. I'm am trying to be as open about this as possible and keep this discussion on track.

Why would we simply close the thread if you created a forum for this purpose? We didn't do so with the other one floating around (which has nothing to do with the fact the users that created it are staff members here). These people put up the vB license, domain, and hosted it for you guys out of the goodness of their hearts. It was not a break away, it wasn't something I agreed with but there is little I can do about it nor do I wish to do anything about it.

No one is forcing you to go there, you can create your own, link it here as long as it doesn't break any of the rules. You said you've already done so and we removed it? Care to link me to that post? I will look into it and if I feel you were wronged I will correct it, this is why I am here.

My PM box is always opened if you don't agree with an action of a moderator, I can't read minds nor can I read every single post within the forums. I depend on you guys to bring things to my attention.

We cross posted, but these are the kinda facts that are getting distorted. I'll address my inuendo first.

I posted a link in this thread twice. No big deal if ya ask me, but one was enough apparently.

I submit that if the forum I posted had no competition, no one would have been counting links in a 50 page thread. Not unless they had something to gain. I find that real interesting.

I'm not mad about the link nor do I care to protest it. I'm meerly pointing out how it looked to me now that the conversation has gone further and a forum for the purpose being discussed was started by staff members.

I truely could care less what happens. I'm just reading and observing.

I found the post in question, the link was removed because it was posted once before. It was not done by a staff member involded with the site in question.

Would I have removed it? No, but I don't think the fact that it was removed caused much harm (aside from your feelings on the issue which I can understand).

I think you've gotton over it, if it even bothered you that much at all. I just wanted to have a look and I though it best to explain. :)

Thanks. It's no bother. It's the perception of it. Appreciate the explaination.

I really have to do some work now.

Regards.