Why? We elect Presidents with only half the eligible voters actually casting a vote.

Nothing wrong with getting a sample, for no other reason than to provide some kind of indication to both sides of the debate.

Hahaha... yeah, and look how well THAT has turned out for us. :p

And? Do we really want to pattern it after something that gets that kind of turnout/results?

and there is 'Nothing wrong with getting a sample' so long as everyone is aware who is in the sample and what it means. for example putting a poll in this part of the site limits who will see it and the type of users that will vote on it.

They are all great questions Easy - however I think the first step is to try and determine if a valid proportion of Jelsoft customers would like to have a solution for accessing commercial add ons for vBulletin.

Me? I dont think too much of the poll even though its looking pretty good now. I personally think its too B&W and draws people into 1 camp or the other when my personal perception is that the majority arent overly bothered either way. Its not like they are forced into viewing anything eh?

At least discussion is going forward but Jelsoft still needs to make up their mind regardless of the outcome of the poll.

Pretty well actually, no more planes running into very large New York buildings, gas is cheaper now than a year ago ($1.86 here) and Saddam is going on trial soon for killing 50X more people than have died from Al Queda attacks in the current war, got to say those are plusses......

Now aside from the left coast chatter, I digress...

I think Geek et al has a great idea. Why is it that Jelsoft should be the only people allowed to make money on this? Jelsoft even realizes this, hasnt anyone noticed the changes in 3.5 to be, dare I say.., hack friendly? What other paid BB is this hack friendly?? IPB, nope..

They (Jelsoft) understand what hacks do for them and this community. I doubt they would mind at all. The US and UK economies are based on free markets and why not exercise it here.

The hacks dont need to be actually hosted here, just a simple thread with a paypal link and discussions. Professional admins do not mind paying a few $$ for things and code that will make us 10X that on our sites.

-Jason

So prior to 9/11 the United States was more vulnerable to airplane hijacks/attacks because of the way votes were conducted/percentges voting? And since then there's been a change in the election system which has caused all that you attributed to it?
Well this is their site, why should anyone but them be allowed to make money here? (yes I agree that the coders here help vb.com earn more money so you could say that the coders are entitled to a piece, and that by allowing paid hacks you could actually increase the amount of sales at vb.com) But can you go to the microsoft website and post modifications you want to sell? Can you make vb.com see that by charging for some hacks here that it wouldn't take $$/customers away from them?Actually the few times I've brought up the power of the coding community and the influence it has on vbulletin sales they try to throw the 90/95% don't use hacks crap at me. I think that a large portion of that 90/95% however has purchased the software because of a site that has modifications.I for one hate sites that are just click throughs to other sites. I already hate registering for more sites than I have to and this would just increase that. Plus I think linking to other sites would make it easy for coders to take someone elses hack and release it on their own site, whereas if they were hosted here you could avoid that.
And they don't mind paying nothing for it either. But yes, they should be more likely and more willing to pay money since they'd be getting money back and are in the position to pay in the first place.

I think I just said this on the poll page but it may be worth mentioning here:

I dont think anyone should get hung up on the particulars of HOW information is offered to customers. Thats another debate entirely!

But in response to the MS point - they dont sell 3rd party vendors work - however they do have resources for you to find 3rd party vendors unlike here.

No big deal really.

I think it is time that a 3.6 Beta was released, and all could spend time on analysing the new code and redisigning more great hacks. :D

Geek,

If you go to the community sites right there on Microsoft.com they offer commercial 3rd party addons that anyone can submit. I deal with a alot of Frontpage webadmins and MS.com has a ton of 3rd party commercial addons right there on the site. It expands the community.

Easy Target,

Re-read my post as a reply to the insult to our president above, nothing more nothing less. As a veteran of this (and other) wars it is offensive to me when people throw those types of insults out off handedly or otherwise.

Also, when did our voting system change? :)

-Jason

That would throw everyone askew :)