Insane - im sorry you feel that way however its coming from someone who has given 1 small modification to the communinty. A good one, however it pales in comparison to some hacks that pro coders do. Hell, GARS is thousands and thousands of lines and I have worked on it now for 5 months (and its still not done!).
Even the stuff I have released here FOC is upwards of thousands of lines. If you want to take your bat and ball home because you only want this to be a place where people share projects that are 10-100 lines long and take an hour to a week to write then surly you must realise you have capped the potential of what can be offered here? And as such capped the potential of what customers can get from .org.

Thanks

His hack is just as important here as anyone else's. Were your first few hacks even near what your potential is now? I don't think so. That is very arrogant of you to even try and compare your code or anyone else's and his. That is why I am so dead against this. Too many egos and not rembereing how things were when you first started out here.

I would not have much objections against a coder who releases most of his work for free, and have 1 special project that he is selling. The 'problem' starts when people start using vb.org only to sell their payed projects. But it would be almost impossable to catch this in rules.

I think you need to chill Boofo - I said i thought his hack was quite good. What I expressed frustration over is the serious lack of empathy and understanding from people who:

1- Don't already give to the community
2- Offer a couple of small modifications

To many people that fall into the above points - they just expect you to produce projects that take months to do and thousands of lines of code and then to support it - for free or else they are going home... thats not arrogant?

Boofo - you are always going to be right. If Jelsoft doesn't grow .org then it you will be justified for your fire and brimstone. If they do it and it fails - its because of your fire and brimstone, if they do it and succeed its because of all the warnings about your fire and brimstone. Thats the great benefit of being a doomsayer - you've covered your butt from all angles :)

Actually a lot of my hack was help from Kirby (what can I say I must be honest) in implementing a few things that rid of file edits. And Boofo at pushing it to be no file edits. And others for providing alternative templates.

And your right I have yet to have time to contribute a lot to the community, although 89 or so have enjoyed my release. And the ‘thank you’ I get from the first person made the time worth wild.

But you missed the entire point of it, which is ok but I shall repeat it. My release was something I needed for my community (article system was to pricy for the little it offered that I ‘needed’) and my solution was what I needed. So I did in the vb.org spirit (or what I thought it was perhaps I am wrong) and shared my work.

I have a few things planned for my community in time to come and as I do I will both share it on vb org and learn how to improve it. That is if vb org does not go commercial.

Believe it or not all these paid add ons could be easily done if someone wished to put forth the time seeing as they run off vbulletins heart, and as for support if you look at my thread even Kirby who not only helped but provided support on a hack not even in his name.

I don't need to chill, you do. You try to come across as this kind, caring individual that wants to give so much to the org when in reality, you are looking to make money off of it. No matter how you color it, you belittle those that don't write major hacks, either because they don't have the knowledge and skill yet, or because they are new and haven't had enough time to do something of that caliber. There are those hear that DO some major hacks and they are still releasing them for free. Andreas and the Journal Hack comes to mind.

And it seems that there are more against the idea of this thread than are for it. That should tell you something. ;)

Not everyone feels the need to write 'large hacks'.

In fact I don't write anything specifically for .org - I do stuff for the forum I am an administrator on, and then release it here (FOC) for anyone else to make use of if they want (and looking at my stats, it seems plenty do).

I don't think anyone is advocating leaving this site; there simply appears to be a demand for commercial addons for vBulletin and as such it doesn't seem unreasonable to try and put together the "ultimate resource" for them.

Yes, a demand from a small groups of members. Adding commercial hacks and the headaches that go with policing them isn't going to make this site any more ultimate than it is now. It will cause more problems that it will fix.

And I don't believe it is right to take advantage of new members or the org by trying to make a quick buck off of them.

You can be pretty abrasive, so if you are surprised when someone suggests you might need to "chill", you might want to reconsider your wording a little more carefully. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make your heavy handed remarks appropriate.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to make a buck from your efforts. Like I said the marketplace will determine the value of your efforts, if nobody likes what you've done and won't pay for it, then you fail.

This site isn't going to suffer from the addition of commercial add-ons to its pages, nor will it suffer from another site being developed to promote what isn't allowed here. Either way this isn't about this site, it's about fulfilling customers wants - if .org doesn't want to offering something that has obvious value, then what do you expect?

And adding styles to this site wasn't a headache?

Either way, this site won't suffer. It's simply a question of what resources you want to privde to your members.