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AlexanderT 03-20-2005 11:36 PM

The most interesting part about this dicussion is whether some vB hacks fall under GPL or not. I just downloaded vbXirc and had a quick look at the sources. Look at this:
Quote:

vBXirc 2.5.2 # ||
----------------------------------------------------------------
A Geeky Designs Production
Version 2.5.2 # ||
PHP Code by: Zachery # ||
Templates by: Zachery
This may not be redistributated without Geeky Designs Consent
Copyright 2003 - 2004 Geeky Designs
Not only does Zachery fail to mention the original copyright of PIRC, but he is in fact violating the original copyright. GPL clearly contains "constraints against constraints." Section two of the GPL allows for modifications and distribution of a GPL-licensed work if the licensee causes any work to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of the GPL. More so, if the licensee includes any GPL code in another program, the entire program becomes subject to the terms of the GPL. Violation of these restrictions may subject the offender to civil and criminal penalties for copyright infringement.

I am sure Zachery is not the only "criminal" here infringing copyrights. Moderators of this community should keep a closer eye on these important issues.

Zachery 03-21-2005 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexanderT
The most interesting part about this dicussion is whether some vB hacks fall under GPL or not. I just downloaded vbXirc and had a quick look at the sources. Look at this:

Not only does Zachery fail to mention the original copyright of PIRC, but he is in fact violating the original copyright. GPL clearly contains "constraints against constraints." Section two of the GPL allows for modifications and distribution of a GPL-licensed work if the licensee causes any work to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of the GPL. More so, if the licensee includes any GPL code in another program, the entire program becomes subject to the terms of the GPL. Violation of these restrictions may subject the offender to civil and criminal penalties for copyright infringement.

I am sure Zachery is not the only "criminal" here infringing copyrights. Moderators of this community should keep a closer eye on these important issues.

Did you look at the readme file?

the php code, and the templates ARE in fact my work.

the java applcation in fact, has NEVER been modified, and ITS copyrights INSIDE OF THE PROGRAM, remain intact.

vBXirc is designed to be modual, I can grab any java/flash based IRC program and toss it in there.

However, to end this argument, I will be removing vBXirc for vB2 and 3 and vBXWirc from the hacking community.

enjoy

eva01_ 03-21-2005 02:04 AM

hahahahahah i was going to suggest that too, to end the pissing match

AlexanderT 03-21-2005 02:07 AM

Zachery, you are using PIRC code (have a look at /forums/chat in the zip file you supply) and your product derives from it. Smart move to remove it though, to avoid legal trouble.

Zachery 03-21-2005 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexanderT
Zachery, you are using PIRC code (have a look at /forums/chat in the zip file you supply) and your product derives from it. Smart move to remove it though, to avoid legal trouble.

The only pjirc code, was the pjirc application, and personally I am not a lawyer and try to stay out of legal matters, but after reading the GPL a few times, I personally do not see how it falls into that category.

vBXirc will be re-released with a new system in a few months time pending all legal issues.

KW802 03-21-2005 02:22 AM

It's a tad ironic that at an idea meant to help the vB community is actually causing the community to split itself. What's worse is that even though it's obvious what affect this idea is having that the progenitors of it are totally ignoring those affects and, if anything, seem to be actually encouraging it. :ermm:

AlexanderT 03-21-2005 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KW802
It's a tad ironic that at an idea meant to help the vB community is actually causing the community to split itself. What's worse is that even though it's obvious what affect this idea is having that the progenitors of it are totally ignoring those affects and, if anything, seem to be actually encouraging it. :ermm:

It is not the "idea" that is causing the community to split here, but whether or not GPL copyright should be respected.

Dean C 03-21-2005 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KW802
It's a tad ironic that at an idea meant to help the vB community is actually causing the community to split itself. What's worse is that even though it's obvious what affect this idea is having that the progenitors of it are totally ignoring those affects and, if anything, seem to be actually encouraging it. :ermm:

That's not really the issue at hand here IMO. The issue is not regarding the law, it's the way the conduct of the members of vbhacks-germany.de constructed their request. I'm sure if redlabour had kindly asked Zachery to take his modification and translate it, instead of insisting that he could take it, regardless of what Zachery thinks, then Zachery would have kindly asissted. The same applies to me, I just don't like the way people were insisting they could take the work :)

AlexanderT 03-21-2005 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean C
The issue is not regarding the law, it's the way the conduct of the members of vbhacks-germany.de constructed their request.

That it not entirely true. The original request of vbhacks-germany.de brought up a new issue which is how GPL copyright-protected open-source should be handled in the case of vBulletin hacks.

Akex 03-21-2005 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean C
That's not really the issue at hand here IMO. The issue is not regarding the law, it's the way the conduct of the members of vbhacks-germany.de constructed their request. I'm sure if redlabour had kindly asked Zachery to take his modification and translate it, instead of insisting that he could take it, regardless of what Zachery thinks, then Zachery would have kindly asissted. The same applies to me, I just don't like the way people were insisting they could take the work :)

Not true. Take a look at post #1 (question from redlabour) and post #2 answer of Zachery.

Dean C 03-21-2005 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akex
Not true. Take a look at post #1 (question from redlabour) and post #2 answer of Zachery.

Regardless, I'm talking about further on in the thread.

vau7 03-30-2005 07:49 AM

It is online now.
Have a look here: http://www.vbhacks-germany.com

JohnBee 04-03-2005 08:32 AM

Seriously... you'd think people were trying to steal the food from your mouth
when they are simply extending courtesy by expanding "free" work.

Some even used the terms piracy... thats pretty lame considering this kind
of resistance only ends up producing illegal distribution of hacks.

I don't see the problem with translating hacks to another language especially
if the intent is to help others benefit from them which retains the whole concept
of creating and distributing the code to begin with.

Some people need to lighten up and look beyond the keyboard once in awhile.
While having no problems using GPL code to embed in your scripts but when
someone asks to do something positive as a language translation people act
as though they are trying to steal there work.

Its clear throughout the thread that some could benefit from this.

AlexanderT 04-03-2005 09:34 AM

John, you totally right. It is purely an ego thing, nothing really to waste time with.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnBee
Seriously... you'd think people were trying to steal the food from your mouth
when they are simply extending courtesy by expanding "free" work.

Some even used the terms piracy... thats pretty lame considering this kind
of resistance only ends up producing illegal distribution of hacks.

I don't see the problem with translating hacks to another language especially
if the intent is to help others benefit from them which retains the whole concept
of creating and distributing the code to begin with.

Some people need to lighten up and look beyond the keyboard once in awhile.
While having no problems using GPL code to embed in your scripts but when
someone asks to do something positive as a language translation people act
as though they are trying to steal there work.

Its clear throughout the thread that some could benefit from this.


Snyper 04-04-2005 12:58 AM

I am disappointed from the development here.
I can the refusal here not understand and thus is vB nevertheless no some community...

MrZeropage 04-07-2005 06:23 PM

Does anybody already notice that there is an official german vbulletin-site with support at www.vbulletin-germany.com which even has some small "vb3 hack forum" ?

Translation of hacks and even german support was given on the official vbulletin-site, and it is clear that this is a benefit to sell licenses in germany.

So that new vbhacks-germany.com board is nothing new at all, only a try to do this with more efford and effeciancy - what is wrong with that at all ?

This maybe even gets german people to do new, own hack, release them there, and I am sure then somebody will also translate such things into english and release it here.


So I think it is a good project - Jelsoft supports an official german vbulletin-site which even contains german hacks, so why not do a german hackboard ...


Get it working guys !!

Sebastian 04-08-2005 06:41 AM

feel free to translate my hacks.. you have good intension so i don't mind, unlike some people around here. just make sure they click install ;)

some people make a stupid two-line hack and they make a big stink about allowing it to be translated.

MrZeropage 04-08-2005 02:53 PM

Thanks for permission, maybe I can link directly to the INSTALL-Button here, I will see ...


Yes, some people somehow seem to think they are a PHP-god but loose the thought that it is vBulletin (!) which gets us all together, so we all should enhance this software in any way and even in any country/language :)


Who else will give permission for translation ? Please tell it here or contact me via PM, thx

Zachariah 04-18-2005 12:26 AM

Count me in.

Hacks list in profile.
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/member.php?u=6872

Thank You for your help. Give me a URL and i'll update my hacks to your site for German ver.

:cool:


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