By watermarking images, you imply that you now own them. So a court will consider that. But best to have a notice stating that all uploaded images belong the the site etc.

What about a person meets someone from your service and something really bad happens like death or rape.

Is the service at fault in any way? ie. screening etc. Like teachers at schools...

I recommend creating a global announcement (viewable on all pages) ... stipulating that any further use of this site is an agreement to the current TOS yada yada yada.

I also recommend sending an email to everyone.


TOS should include date/time (optional) and a disclaimer stipulating the above.
If you have a newsletter, I recommend a direct link to TOS.
As well as adding a link to all private messages (email and pm message).

Or install a modified version of amy's hack, that forces users to agree to the new TOS before they can post anything new :)

@T3MEDIA - Putting a disclaimer in your TOS about how you cannot be responsible for personal information exchanges should suffice in removing you from this equation - If you make it clear that if you divulge personal information publically that people may use it in a harming way, then you have done all you can to warn the user, and anything that happens to them, however tragic, cannot be blamed upon you...

Satan

You'll have more chance of a free license by participating in the vbfans competition, then trying to settle this in or outside of a court ;)

How about the mountain dew then????

Someone can post a hack that allows for you to view a member's password if they want, however, no one can force you to install the hack. I'm sure everyone that has/will install the hack realizes that they will in one way or another, be violating their user's privacy by using it. Therefore, whether or not they pursue with their installation is comletely up to them. Perhaps in some states or countries this may be considered illegal however, i am sure that their are some places in which this is allowed. Vbulletin has come to be known for its great hacks and features, so why hate on someone because their opinion in nice features differ from yours? I agree, it isn't right to violate someone's privacy, however, at times it is only necessary. Lets say a member is being harassed via PM and has given yu numerous complaints. As an AMERICAN you are "innocent till prooven guilty". So how else will you be prooven guilty unless you can verify on whether or not a user is indeed harassing other members? Also, if a member is spamming your website, this feature is good for tracking them down and again PROOVING THAT THEIR GUILTY. Downloading the hack itself isn't violating a user's privacy, and Floris did not say "go read everyone's PMs", however, sometimes it is necessary. At times, violating someone's privacy is a small price you have to pay in order to maintain a stable forum.

I myself do not have this installed and i probably will not install it until it is necessary, however, Floris's code is extremely useful and i think she should be thanked instead of accused.

Gio

^^^Agreed.

*cough*floris=he*cough*

lol yea, bad corrie :P.

As long as you tell your members and they consent. :)

As I recall, the original code was by Scott McVicar, and in any case, Floris is a guy. ;)

Does it really matter if she is a he or he is a she? Not in my book. ;)

LOL Erwin, this was written before I saw your post. It was aimed above. ;)

[s]She is? .....eehhhh...He is?[/s]

Remark removed on request.

I mean, Floris is a girl... or a guy... in the end, who cares! :)

Floris is a human.

Hmm now i am tempted to comment on that. :D :D

Floris is the bi-product of a "cannot divide by zero" error from trying to calculate the result of a large mathematical calculation performed in PHP ;)

Satan

That's what the doctors told me too... :disappointed:

hell no, they're not liable.

get a clue.

Don't you think calling Floris human is going a bit too far, Erwin? That could be construed as slander in most places. ;)

You know Erwin, he likes living dangerously ;)

Satan

i was driving through New York and i seen a town called Erwin so it is neither a male or female it is a town

Hmm, at least in Germay this is not always the case. Posts that are general small-talk and such don't qualify as copyrighted works according to german copyright laws as they are missing "Geistige Sch?pfungsh?he".
So generally if there are disputes, Users have to poof that Copyright laws are applicable - otherwise the board owner can use their posts as he wants.

Geistige Sch?pfungsh?he = translates to?

Hellsatan = byproduct of laxative.

why not just change the vbphrase that calls it "private" messaging to Instant Messanging or how bout just messaging... or whatever will make it clear that the messages that are being sent back and forth arent nececessarily "private"

btw so in the end... have we discovered if Floris is a girl or guy?

ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Floris is a skilled coder who's hacks we should appreciate reguardless of his/her sex?

It is all a big pile of mess...

If you put a TOS up that states that nothing is private, including PMs, then you imply that you are monitoring it. So you get sued if a message is illegal (threat, copyright, criminal content, etc.) and you missed it.

If you say the writer owns copyright, then you have to deal with "owner" demanding removal.

If you say PMs are private, then you have to encrypt them, and make darn sure you protect it well.

What I have come up with is a twist - the poster is the copyright holder, but grants the site a sole distribution, non revocable license for in perpetuity, and we guarantee zero privacy.

This gives me the right to look at it, distribute it, not have to delete it, (or delete it) yet retains the responsibility with the author for it's content. So the site becomes sort of a "vessel" or transport only. This has been tested with ISPs and carriers and it works.

Pffh - Hardly - I was created before laxatives were even conceivable :p

Satan

this is true.. however now everyone has gotten me curious..lol it seems like the moderators dont even know..lmao

:lick:

haha ok then for now shes a floris.........

Its a he period.

Floris is a HE you, Floris Fiedeldij Dop and here is a picture http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/image...5&type=profile

Case closed :P

What about the cat. I got ten bucks that its a female!

Rotfl.............


What If The Cat Is Floris!?!??!!?

Thanks to so many accusations i think floris has stopped visiting vb.org :-x....i havent seen her on in a while but i've seen her here http://www.vbulletin-fans.com/

You are still referring to him as a her.

lol gio your a moron :P.

Something like Intelectual Creation (level??) i guess.

Guys don't get periods. ;)

Since when?

I feel so bloated!

Are you saying that I am just fat and not bloated........ :mad:

We should listen to Erwin, he is a Doctor :p

Satan

and yet, non of the jelsoft sites have one
isnt that beyond weird?