Then explain to me the origin of God.

I cannot, I did not say anywhere I could, again as Erwin said above its a choice of faith, and I was brought up with religion, I neither doubt it, nor know how to prove it, just know its there, and continue to believe in it.

An interesting idea i had today whilst watching the news. I saw muslims protesting in manchester (a british city) today saying that the war was against muslims. How is the war against muslims? They are using their religion as an excuse to vent frustration? This I do not agree with. The war is clearly about liberating the iraqi people (despite what others may think about the oil and such). Yet these people say its a war against the muslim religion.

This is what annoys me the most....

- miSt

Sometimes some people get farfetched ideas, and get influenced by others, Im sure you've heard of peer presure? Like that of above, war against muslims, that is farfetched, I am sure they notice if U.S does win, if they plan to go back to their homeland, they will live in a country of freedom and choice.

That's the problem though. A muslims home is where they are - i have no problem with muslims living in this country. But they refuse to accept that its their home. Even if a muslim was born in Britain many don't deem themselves British. Just for the record im only using muslims as an example as that's what i heard on this radio broadcast last month :)

- miSt

Or as I said, they are being influenced, and it has crowded their sense of decision. I am taking those group of muslims you have mentioned from the radio broadcast. Also it may be sense of pride(nationalism).

I have many muslim friends, none of which act like this.

Ah, but you did say:

So, assuming that "they can't just be there", God can't "just be there" either.

Ok, think about this:

The bible was supposedly written by the 12 apostles, right?

How much would you believe of a book written by 12 guys sitting around drinking wine all the time?

Don't you honestly believe there were a few "hey, let's put this in there since we don't know the real answer" or "I [high]think[/high] this is how it happened" passages? And where is all of the information on Jesus from the time he was 18 until he was 33? Makes you wonder with what they left out, what they didn't put in and why. ;)

Maybe you just indirectly assumed that. But related to the faith topic, it is a choice, and people refer to god for answers to stuff Science just cannot answer. People have a belief in god as creator of all, it gives people sense of happiness, and security. (This may not always abe a good thing)

How about lets put it this way, those who want to believe in god and religion, do whatever, if you don't, do whatever, we don't want to hear anyones thoughts.

Be realistic, this debate will go on forever, because both I and others are not willing to giveup, and I am sure you are not willing to give up.

Take this convo, I had with a fellow, who wasn't so bright, he was not able to get past my 3rd question.

[quoteHow was the universe created?
-The Big bang

How did the Big Bang Occur
-Certain chemical particles, came together (or something)

Where did these chemical, particles or whatever you say it is come from?
-They just exist there, and scientists say so

Do Scientists have Proof?
-Yes

Get it
-No[/quote]
If anyone can provide proof, maybe I will believe that this occurance of mixing chemicals and whatever created chemicals, but it will not change the fact that I will still believe in god.

Many people choose to believe in god, even when there is substantial proof of one thing. Remember that belief in a Religion, dates back looooooonger than any science, and science back then was based on religion.