I'll give my 2 cents worth.

I was keeping tabs on the thread and to me the parties involved were making progress. There was no arguing or flaming of any kind and the members involved kept a level head.

Now, all you've done is fuelled the fire when there was no fire and now you've got to deal with this thread which is going to last another 20+ pages with needless comments and thus going nowhere and resolving nothing.

IMO, you made a bad judgment on this one. Think about it, The thread could have been set as an example of how to resolve this kind of problem, and to show that these kind of occurances can be resolved without a staff member coming in with sarcasm and stating that it was all a drama.

With regards to copyright, I'm sure you rely on members to submit sites that are breaking vbulletin copyright laws thus cracking down on those who break it. My point being, it's not that the person has to do this but they do it off their own back out of good nature and (because the thread in question) was civil as was the people involved I'm sure you could have done the same.

Sometimes a little common sense goes a long way, and a little descretion. :down:

Freedom of speech!

Freedom of speech doesn't apply here.

Anyway, site policies are only as good as they are enforced. I have no investment in the thread in question so I won't question why it was closed. I do think, however, that the reasons given in this thread (by the two Admins) are a bit inconsistent. It does send the message to the community that not everyone in management is on the same page.

Just an observation... :)

I guess not for this type of topic. But yet its strange other topics that go way off and do have fighting in the thread can still be left open and warnings given. You need to change some rules on that or basiclly stick to your guns. I dont feel that this topic in question was getting out of hand esp. since it was all in the lounge where its suppose to be aloud. Sometimes it seems they just get power happy and close a thread other times when the thread needs to be closed cause it is truely pointless a warning is given and the thread remains open. Perfect example is this thread right here https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=126976 where a warning was given today. Truely that thread has no point at all besides promoting a site. At least this thread made others aware of his actions and may have warned others too. But all in all things seem to have there own rules around this site and are made by the day (i.e) topxstats had a exploit thread was never closed yet ecdownloads had a exploit and the thread was closed???. Hope things change for the better cause it has been looking ruff for a few months on this site.

that's easy as cake gio is a 15 year old kid .You should not do anything that involves money with a person under the legal age.In here where i live a person under legal age cannot

• run a commercial website
• own a credit card
• do online transactions (eg sending or receiving money)
• (manny others)

don't get me wrong here.I have a deep respect for the coding talents of those young coders.When you need a custom hack and you are willing to pay it's creation you should be VERRY CAREFULL while choosing a coder


those stuff i posted above strongly depends on the contry where you live in (laws do differ from country to country)

To those people that payed him and did not get what they payed for you should all go together two persons are stronger then 1...

yep he is under age and even in the uk he would be breaking the law.How has he got a paypal account as they linked to a bank account? So maybe stating age somewhere should be a priorty even though they can lie - but if they do then the onus is on them.

Also i dont like the way the service requests has to be done in pm - its like taking it away from the board.All replies etc should be done in the service request thread - that way u know who hs replied and if u get pms and they not replied with offer then dont accept.Least this way u have a copy of the transaction.

Pms are ok for quick messeges but when money involved it different.
Someone on here offered to do one of my requests for $200 yet i got the same request filled and another hack done for $35 off another coder from this board.

I have no interests in that thread at all, but i have read this thread and Marco saying this "and has nothing to do with vb.org"
Has made me speak up, the description for that section states below....
Sit back in your lazy-boy recliner and chat away. This forum intends to host any kind of chat except vbulletin and hacking issues!

To me that states that you can basically discuss what you want as long as its nothing to do with vbulletin, or have i read it wrong?

It would be great to know what coders you can trust and shouldnt trust, I usually go on the coders title should i want anything doing, But a thread like that helps members big time. Although taking it as far it was taken was perhaps a bit much, but it did pay off as the coder came forward, but then the members get cut off in the prime, they posted here casue the coder would not respond, they get a response andthe thread gets closed, Tis like taking candy away from a child lol......

As I said before, we are working on this. However, we can not have biased towards the Client or towards the Coder on whichever way we implement it. A fair equillibrium must be used...

A fair equillibrium can only be reached if there is input from both sides.
Using the PM system to do deals surely is not a fair way - it should all be set in stone for both sides to view.

You lot are good at hacks so obviously you would`nt want just anyone viewing your services so why get a hack like this

usera wants a hack making

userb and userc reply to his service request but usera thinks userc price is better and links with him.

Once he linked the thread in question can only then be read by mods/admins
once usera and userc hav done their business both must click a link to close the thread and consider the deal done.

I think your spot on there Lats, the bit I highlighted in red above. I could not agree more with that statement.