Ok, i have had enough....

[zajako]

Why was my signature taken down....

What written rule did it break, it links me to a thread that tells me im well within the guidelines for my sig.

Also many have noticed, my beta hack called: Zajako's RPG hack was taken down, because i was supposably advertising, where if that was the case, why was the whole thread removed, and not just the advertising. I was not charging for the beta hack released, hell, the hack im charging for does not even have the same name due to all the changes made. The hack had around 200 people using it as well. I feel im being wronged, when what im doing is right.

I have not done more, or less than other people in the past have done when it comes to any sort of advertising rules. I belive i have seen signatures advertising each others sites also. My signature image did not say i was selling anything, and the text under that, was one line saying what my site was. My signature looked like this:

http://gamasoftware.com/dump/banner.jpg
My bests Hacks... 1 yearly price.... Gama?

i don't see where i broke any rules, and i feel im being treated un fairly, and also compared to the fact that i have been releasing quality hacks here for free forr the past year, i belive i am owed at least a little bit of respect...

if these things wronged are not righted within a week, i will never release something at this site again, Why share my hard work, when i get treated like ++++ for it.

[Holidazed]

I agree with you on this one Zejako. It is bull to do that when I see many more tag lines here that advertise more than that. If the rule is no advertising, then they should penalize EVERYBODY who does it. Even if they are just advertising their own website.

You release alot of great hacks and I will hate to see you go, but I will understand if you must leave.

If you leave, I would suggest that you demand that all your hacks be removed from this system.

[XtremeVigilante]

I thinks it is a little ridiculous myself. I see other people advertising their sites here and I recall seeing somebody in the past advertising a site that has hacks for free. The onlly peoples hacks I have used and kept on my vB were Zajako3's and fireflys. All the rest have always caused a problem on my server. his hacks a good and I see no reason to remove his sig. Even if that somehow broke a rule I see no reason for removing his beta RPG hack. Kinda gay to do that to a member.

[filburt1]

Your signature's image cannot exceed 300px in width. It also can't have promotional language.

Coincidently us mods are discussing a similar matter in private right now so stay tuned.

If the RPG hack is the one I'm thinking of then it was removed because it was Zend encrypted which is against the rules.

[filburt1]

Today at 08:55 PM bitg said this in Post #2 (https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?postid=395253#post395253)
I agree with you on this one Zejako. It is bull to do that when I see many more tag lines here that advertise more than that. If the rule is no advertising, then they should penalize EVERYBODY who does it. Even if they are just advertising their own website.

Pretty much everybody including yourself already does that using the "www" button in the postbit ;)

[Erwin]

zajako,

Your sig image is too big. The image and link itself is fine.

You beta hack was removed because it was a beta of a commercial hack. We removed filburt1's webmail beta hack. We removed the beta IM hack that turned out to be commercial. In the same way, we removed yours.

[zajako]

it is not encrypted in any sort.
It was removed due to advertising. thats what i was told in private messages.

Also i will fix my image, i did not notice the 300 px width rule, mainly because it does not make sence, my banner is the offical banner size, and as for promotional language, that is not in the signature rules.

[Wolfwood]

I would have to agree that Zajakos sig isnt against the rules... i mean even you filburt have a link to your site and have an advertisement for a hack. Zaj didnt even go as far as you did with the advertising bid. You guys need to either lighten up, or you need to get rid of ALL the advertisements in sigs...

[filburt1]

Today at 09:05 PM Erwin said this in Post #6 (https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?postid=395259#post395259)
We removed filburt1's webmail beta hack.

Clarification: my webmail discussion thread was removed, not the actual hack (which was never posted) :)

[filburt1]

Wolfwood,

You are currently showing up as unlicensed. To be able to download hacks and/or receive support here at vBulletin.org, we ask you to please click here (http://www.vbulletin.com/members/forums.php) (vB-germany users click here (http://www.vbulletin-germany.com/members/forums.php)) and enter your email address, to show us that you are licensed.

You will need to use your customer number and password (which will be in the email you got when you paid for your license) to access that page. Please note that your email is case sensitive.

Thank you.

My signature does not advertise any hacks. It only lists all hacks that I've released.

The only time I suspend signatures myself is when the image dimensions are too large (which happens way too often...) or too many lines of text are used. I very rarely suspend a sig due to its content.

[zajako]

It is not a comercial hack, the beta never was, if you read in the forum you would see, i said i would finish the beta and release it after the comercial hack was released. Also essentialy the beta was already done, thats because the patches were there, i just never did a final install for it.

The product im selling goes by the name of RPG Creator System, and is practicaly a total new system, due to all the pages being re-coded to be smoother, better, and use less queries. Also all the un finished features were placed in it, along with a large admin panel. That is why i changed the name, and made it so it upgrades from Zajako's RPG hack. Zajako's RPG hack essentialy is a seperate hack, that was indeed released for free in beta form.

im sure the rest of the members would agree that free is indeed free wheather its beta or not.

[Erwin]

Okay, if it's a separate hack, I will move it back out to the Beta Hacks. :) I will do it now.

[Erwin]

Today at 11:07 AM Wolfwood said this in Post #8 (https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?postid=395262#post395262)
I would have to agree that Zajakos sig isnt against the rules... i mean even you filburt have a link to your site and have an advertisement for a hack. Zaj didnt even go as far as you did with the advertising bid. You guys need to either lighten up, or you need to get rid of ALL the advertisements in sigs...

Did you read my post???

His image was TOO BIG. It had nothing to do with advertising.

[filburt1]

BTW I was rereading the forum rules; some of them conflict but explicitly relating to signatures:
Rule No. 7 - Signature Restrictions
7) All signatures should not exceed the following size limits:
For text signatures: 4 lines normal size, 8 lines small size and up to 90 chars per line. Empty lines are also counted! Font sizes above 2 are not allowed.
For images in signatures: 1 image up to 300 pixels wide, 125 pixels tall and 20k in size
If you do want to have text and an image, you can have a maximum of 2 normal lines (or 4 small lines) and one image (in a new line) up to 300 pixels wide, 75 pixels tall and 20k in size.
You may have a link to your own website, but there must be no promotional language like "Best Hosting" or "Cheapest Styles". Paypal and affiliate links are NOT permitted.
Don't use [color=yellow] or similar code as it is unreadable on three of our styles.
So technically you are allowed to link to your own site.

[Storm]

I see the reasoning for the sig edit, being the image dimensions, but about what was in it, that would be unfair..

As for his beta hack, that is a totally seperate hack as he said, all of the coding for the RCS has been totally re-written, I know, because I helped code it.

So I think it was a little unfair that his beta was removed from this site. Also, I never remember once that it was Zend encoded.

[Erwin]

zajako, I need to apologize to you.

I did move your thread to our private deleted items forum. When we were discussing whether to have a Commercial Hack forum, I moved it into that forum. When that idea was dropped because of various reasons, I suspect that someone (I won't name names ;) ) deleted that forum and possibly your thread in it! :blush:

My deepest apologies. Feel free to start a new thread about your beta version, making it clear that it is free and totally separate to your commercial version.

[Xenon]

Yeah, sorry, that was my faul.
One second after i clicked delete on the forum i remembered there was a thread in it.....
i have to apologize.

But for the sigrules: the part about the image is clear, won't be discussed, and was in the rules since a long time so everyone should know it.
Also if there are any problem you could have asked in private before claiming wrong things and start this public thread.

And the last thing:
the advertising is currently discussed privately by the vb.org staff. When we made our final descission all of you will be informed!

[Smoothie]

I think all image signatures should be removed. Too much crap to look at.

[filburt1]

Yesterday at 09:37 PM Storm said this in Post #15 (https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?postid=395280#post395280)
So I think it was a little unfair that his beta was removed from this site. Also, I never remember once that it was Zend encoded.

Sorry, I might have been thinking of another hack.

[Holidazed]

Filburt1, if you will notice, I DO NOT have any advertisement in my signature. I stay with the www. Buyt I see tons of advertisements in signatures all over this site and I see nobody doing anything about those.

Yesterday at 06:04 PM filburt1 said this in Post #5 (https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?postid=395258#post395258)
Pretty much everybody including yourself already does that using the "www" button in the postbit ;)

[filburt1]

Today at 09:48 AM bitg said this in Post #20 (https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?postid=395433#post395433)
Filburt1, if you will notice, I DO NOT have any advertisement in my signature. I stay with the www. Buyt I see tons of advertisements in signatures all over this site and I see nobody doing anything about those.

You need to re-read myself and Erwin's posts, please. We never said anything like you're advertising in signatures. Also with my emoticon I clearly meant it as a light joke.

If you see a user who is in clear violation of the signature rules, contact myself or another moderator, please. :)

[amykhar]

I am confused as to why promotional language in an image isn't allowed but in text it is. If a mod can have a link to his paid hacks (recently it very clearly said "link to free hacks, link to my paid hacks) and text about a paid hack to be released June 1st, then other people should be able to promote in their sig lines in text or in images.

I realized that the sig in this case was too large and promotion was not the problem. I am addressing the rules themselves.

Amy

[filburt1]

Promotional language, as we define it here, are words like "cheap", "competitive", "discount", "best", etc. My sig and for that matter, the sigs I've seen here, don't contain that language. The thread starter's sig was suspended for image violations (not by me, either), not advertising.

[amykhar]

I understand why the thread starter's image was suspended.

So let me get this rule crystal clear.
1. We cannot advertise services or hacks in posts BUT we can in our sigs if we don't say we are the cheapest or best. So, what you are saying is that I can fill my sig link with advertisements to paid vbulletin services and you all will have no problem with that?

2. I want to hear an admin clarify that rule please. And if it is clarified in this thread, I would ask that an admin start a new thread explicitly making this declaration of the advertising rule. A lot of people have bent over backwards to not advertise their wares and are getting mighty ticked off with you filbert because you advertise so constantly.

Amy

[filburt1]

1. Provided that they are not in competition with vBulletin's official services and you are merely mentioning that you offer them, then I believe you can do so.
2. I understand the situation. However as I have mentioned numerous times already, us mods are already discussing the matter in private and in fact should have an announcement soon. Until then, I think I should close this thread to avoid any other confrontations. Nothing personal but now that the thread starter's question has already been answered I really don't feel that this thread serves a purpose anymore.

If you have an important comment to make that could change the announcement, please PM me or another mod, but you can definitely trust me in the sense that both sides of the debate are being addressed thorougly. Beyond that I can't reveal what's being said so far.