Style colours?

[Shelley_c]

Okay, The style colours are terrible (no offense princeton) but when it comes to re-colouring styles you fail and fail miserably. I'm quite astounded you want you name in the footer associated with these styles. I'm referring to how much of the same colours you have implemented in each style, take the red style for example, Bright red tcats followed by red thead gradients. Red forum status icons, followed by red buttons.

What's the suggestion? Re-colour the style(s). Give them some other colours so the styles are broken into some kind of 3 coloured usage system. Give the vbulletin buttons another colour other than red and also the forum status icons. This goes for all the styles.

Making colour adjustments and re-colouring the primary colours with slightly subtle variations will produce far better results.

Also, the re-colouring in the icons, buttons etc is terrible layers are there for a reason and should be used appropriately instead of implementing a adjustment colour slap bang n the top.

A vb.com staff member pointed this out as being bland, i think he was a little harsh and wrong at the same time. The colours a mind blowingly bright and colours overused where it's not needed.

Don't think of this as a complaint, Just from someone that knows what they are talking about. The only reason this thread is created now was because i never really seen how bad the other styles were untill the style changer appeared on the forumhome.

Isn't their someone on staff that is graphics savy and knows how to re-colour the styles? It seriously wouldn't take a lot of effort.

Another thing I noticed are the small icons, they have the wrong matting/background in relation to the background they are being applied onto. Take the https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/external/2009/01/50.gif for example, It's showing a squared border when it should be seamlessly intergrated into the background it's being aplied onto. It's just another case of sloppy shortcuts which paves the way how much these styles are rushed and pushed out expecting everyone to settle for second best for a board that should be topping other rivals in the BB software arena. It's sloppy and there's no excuse for it.

edit: Can't you bring kerry anne on board? She has had experience in duplicating older styles (vbulletin orientated). Atleast, experience in using and implementing visually enhanced colours/re-colouring.

[Wayne Luke]

All a matter of taste really. I don't have a problem with the monochromatic styles myself. Not like the color variations are new... Its the same colors that they have had here for a while. Just a new way of choosing (not a method I am fond of either).

[Shelley_c]

Is the same wayne that debated with me over png? and (think back) pointing out mattes showing on incorrect backgrounds?

It's just an excuse, the styles can be put down to preference, but not matting mistakes, there's no excuse for that. It shows that the designer just lacked steam, and being a modifications site, an official one i may add flaws such as matting problems should not be present. Infact, they should have not been there in the first place.

Layers are there for a good reason, when have you seen a red quill? take a look at the new thread button. The adjustment layer should have been placed underneath not over the top of every layer to get the style out and have people settle for sloppy workmanship.

You remain adament that there's nothing wrong which is why we are graced with styles half complete and should reside in the modification graveyard. Preference is fine, mistakes are not. And it is a mistake that shouldn't be present in styles on jelsofts official modifications site.

[Wayne Luke]

Didn't say there isn't anything wrong. They are using GIFs which I think should be tossed into the abyss of hell never to return.

I commented on one aspect of the style which is the use of various hues of the same color in a monochromatic style. I don't think that each style needs three different colors.

[Shelley_c]

I appreciate what your trying to do wayne in the way of side tracking in what I am suggesting. I could state many good reasons why .gif will remain the standard (like i've said to you 4 times now in as many years) but that won't change, nor will the fact that you never really read my argument in why enhancements to the designs should be evaluated, discussed and then implemented.

Anyway, .png doesn't support animation and before you pull out the .mng card the format will never become anymore than me going to moon and planting an english flag to prove that we would be the first to land on the moon.

Anyway, Style enhancements? means more work for you princeton it's only a matter of re-colouring existing gradients and using the adjustment layers in the correct location when multiple layers/sets are present.

[Wayne Luke]

You're the one that brought up the gif issue. Anyway, I have better things to do with my time than to nitpick or argue with you. Maybe the staff will see merit in your suggestion, maybe not.

Personally, I like the red and blue styles. The green would be my preference but the icons are too bright for personal taste. Couldn't care less about layers on the recolored images to be quite truthful though.

[Regs]

To the OP:

You are a real piece of work. How about a New Years resolution for yourself and stop the backhanded slags at others? "no offense princeton" followed by "you fail and fail miserably"?

Or how about even thanking the team here for implementing a graphics tab, something you had a moan about upteen times?

Don't think of this as a complaint, Just from someone that knows what they are talking aboutA subjective statement if there ever was one.

[Shelley_c]

Do your homework. I thanked paul. Infact, I was the first to reply in the thread in the feedback area to the thread where paul made the announcement of the xmas updates.

I have nothing to thank the team for. Infact, they should be thanking me for the abundance of suggestions I make to the graphics area. They don't get implemented because they require a thankyou from me, they are implemented because they are sound, beneficial suggestions that help the community.

[Regs]

Did my homework and see you did in the closed thread - apologies for that.

The rest of my post stands however.

A suggestion if I may? Perhaps work on the delivery of your suggestions because you really come off as being rude and arrogant. Are you familar with a user named Grover over on vb.com? I invite you to see how he goes about being a productive member of that community...

[Paul M]

Play nice people, its new years eve, time to enjoy yourselves :D

[Caddyman]

yes yes Paul, agreed...

that said....

as a kind gfx type person, i do see what shelley is saying, there are a few little oopsies in the styles that would do well to get cleared up

also kinda agree with Regs on Shell's delivery....lol....little harsh babe!

[nexialys]

Play nice people, its new years eve, time to enjoy yourselves :D

ARGH, come on Paul, let them fight, we always have some family fight somewhen in a New Year's party, we have to have some good debate, and Shelley is the best one to start it... LOL

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little harsh babe!

you want to get killed Caddyman?... lol

anyway.. personally, i would prefer seeing various flavors of the official style, without structure changes, and with some contest among designers so we have a rotation of the SOTM... :)

[smacklan]

... contest among designers so we have a rotation of the SOTM... :)
That's a cool idea but I doubt we'll see it implemented ;)

[nexialys]

sure it will not, i am the one suggesting it...

[Brandon Sheley]

I like the new options :)
I've used the blue one since I signed up, I'm on the green style now :)

[Dean C]

You know, your suggestions would be taken more seriously if you did them in a more adult manner. I found the way you worded your OP to be down right rude to the effort Princeton has put into the styles.

You may think that they are monotonous, but some of us like them :) Your opinion is not representative of a majority, nor a minority. It's representative of yourself.

[Shelley_c]

You know, your suggestions would be taken more seriously if you did them in a more adult manner. I found the way you worded your OP to be down right rude to the effort Princeton has put into the styles.

You may think that they are monotonous, but some of us like them :) Your opinion is not representative of a majority, nor a minority. It's representative of yourself.

Really, Let's see those stats Dean . There's been plenty of people who find the styles terrible. Posted on this forum will alert you to that so pulling that one out isn't what I call. A fact? Unless you know something I don't and to be fair, the styles are blinding to the eye. The red, green and purple styles are not easy on the eyes. Anyway, I'm not really fussed now, I'll just settle for the generic blue as I only posted because the style selector is easy accessible now and believe that we should be graced with styles easy on your eyes with colour usage taken in mind.

I created a custom style within a night, so it's not hard work to create appropriate gradients with the appropriate colour usage esp to a generic default style with no slicing required (bar the header area).

As for the new options, great stuff, It's the way forward (like I've stated) the styles make the efforts look bad imo. The trouble is, you settle for mediocre when you can have something far better with the resources at hand.

Like I said, There's room for improvements or atleast give the community one style that isn't blinding so they have one to select over the other dazzling styles.

[nexialys]

Dean, i don't need a teacher... actually you'd be one of the last person i would contact for suggestions...

so if you have something against me, please contact the administrators of the forum instead of spoiling this forum with your absurdities.

[Dismounted]

I think Dean was referring to Shelley, not you, hence mentioning the "OP".

[Shelley_c]

I think Dean was referring to Shelley, not you, hence mentioning the "OP".


Dean did have a double post one of his responses has gone for some strange reason.

[Dean C]

Really, Let's see those stats Dean . There's been plenty of people who find the styles terrible. Posted on this forum will alert you to that so pulling that one out isn't what I call. A fact? Unless you know something I don't and to be fair, the styles are blinding to the eye. The red, green and purple styles are not easy on the eyes. Anyway, I'm not really fussed now, I'll just settle for the generic blue as I only posted because the style selector is easy accessible now and believe that we should be graced with styles easy on your eyes with colour usage taken in mind.

I created a custom style within a night, so it's not hard work to create appropriate gradients with the appropriate colour usage esp to a generic default style with no slicing required (bar the header area).

As for the new options, great stuff, It's the way forward (like I've stated) the styles make the efforts look bad imo. The trouble is, you settle for mediocre when you can have something far better with the resources at hand.

Like I said, There's room for improvements or atleast give the community one style that isn't blinding so they have one to select over the other dazzling styles.

As I keep saying on vBulletin.com to those who keep criticisng the plans for vB4, it's always the same people yapping as if they are the majority and they are representative of the large customer base. Yet, ironically there are thousands of other customers who are perfectly happy who have no reason to complain.

So... find me these hundreds of other people that don't like the styles shelley. Show me the other threads with people complaining. Prove you are the majority.

[Shelley_c]

I don't post over at vbulletin.com. Dean. And look in threads yourself, I'm not your mother. There have been plenty of people saying they preferred the old blue custom style to the default styles that were designed by princeton. Though, I'm not suggesting we have a custom style, just re-coloured cleanups and matting mistakes rectified. You don't agree? well, that is your privelage.

Obviously, you know nothing about good colour usage and matting issues so I take anything you say with a pinch of salt and nothing else.

And, because customers are not saying anything doesn't mean they don't realize the difference between mediocrity and something outstanding. You are easily pleased, and don't notice the mistakes in incorrect matting issues though I'm sure of there were a coding mistake there would be people posting about it. Yes? or maybe we shall agree to disagree on that one? Maybe jelsoft should just stop developing and releasing patches.

I make suggestions for the better, you just don't appreciate my method, the same method which I was welcomed with the first time I made a suggestion.

How would you like me to put it, ooh nice style, how wonderfull the array of colours just flow off the tcat onto the thead. Visually beautifull... noooo When credit is due I'll give it but not for sloppy workmanship. You might accept it, I wouldn't. And i don't see why i should sugar coat my suggestions just because you feel differently about what should be done.

[Dean C]

I'm not going to dignify you with any more responses, other than this one Shelley. You do nothing but complain here for the sake of it, and quite frankly I'm getting bored of it as I'm sure the staff are, and the other people who just want everyone to get along. You occasionally make constructive suggestions but then go and ruin it by making some arrogant or sarcastic comment either in response to other peoples responses, or in your initial suggestion.

Would you go up to an artist on the street if you could paint and say "you fail, and you fail miserably". I'd like to think you were a nice enough human being away from your keyboard to not be so rude in your criticism. What gives you the right to come on here and sit behind your keyboard and be so rude?

The ironic thing is, is that I even agree with your suggestion a little. The other styles are somewhat monotonous but they are usable, they are somewhat accessible and the content is displayed in a structured and easy to find manner. Had you made your suggestion in a more polite manner it may have even been taken on board.

My suggestion to you Shelley is, if you really give two damns about this community and want to improve it for the better, either be polite and try and get along like the majority of people here, or just leave.

[RedeemedWarrior]

I rather like the Red style

[Paul M]

Im afraid its the same old story, any suggestions are lost in the digs and attacks. Another thread closed.