No Time To Support Rants?

[Gio~Logist]

Ah well, time to give you something else to moan about, we have neither the time or will power to continue your rants. Closed.

At first, I was trying to figure out if this was a joke or not. After realizing it wasn't (which probably made me laugh a tad more), now I'm left with just one more question.

What does this mean?
- Does it mean you do not have the time or will power to support/respond to feedback and suggestions given? If so, let me know so that i can give up now :p
- Does it mean you only have the will power to support a "select few"?

Just a few questions, feel free to sticky it so that members can have an idea of what to expect ahead of time when making suggestions :up:

[nexialys]

i can rant...

can you?

the bug is that ('rant' != 'suggestions')

[noppid]

Welcome the .org.

[Gio~Logist]

Ah, is this what you mean?

while($suggestion = $vbulletin->dp->fetch_array($rants)){
if($suggestion['forumid'] == '7'){
$suggestion[type] = 'rant';
$suggestion[status] = 'just ranting about';
}
}

[Dean C]

I've been watching these kinds of discussions the last few weeks. Why must everything turn into an argument if the staff make a decision. I appreciate that a community should have some say in how it's run, but ultimately the staff here are here to do their job. Why not let them get on with it and go about your own business without making sarcastic comments in site feedback several times a week :)?

(This was not aimed at you specifically gio, but a few characters who have made similar threads)

[Guest190829]

It means exactly what it means, the staff unfortunately does not have an infinite pool of patience to deal with some posts that are neither positive or proactive, instead some posts are quite detrimental to the overall topic and progression of the thread.

When a thread gets to this point, it'll be closed.

You're making a very generalized question out a very specific matter, so I'm just going to answer your questions:


- Does it mean you do not have the time or will power to support/respond to feedback and suggestions given? If so, let me know so that i can give up now :p
We have all the will power to address proactive feedback.


- Does it mean you only have the will power to support a "select few"? I'm not sure what you mean by "support a 'select few', suggestions are about the suggestions being made, not the person making them.

If you mean do we only consider suggestions from a 'select few' ? The answer is clearly no. We consider every single suggestion, usually the discussion on a suggestion is done internally.

[Gio~Logist]

It means exactly what it means, the staff unfortunately does not have an infinite pool of patience to deal with some posts that are neither positive or proactive, instead some posts are quite detrimental to the overall topic and progression of the thread.

When a thread gets to this point, it'll be closed.

You're making a very generalized question out a very specific matter, so I'm just going to answer your questions:

We have all the will power to address proactive feedback.

I'm not sure what you mean by "support a 'select few', suggestions are about the suggestions being made, not the person making them.

If you mean do we only consider suggestions from a 'select few' ? The answer is clearly no. We consider every single suggestion, usually the discussion on a suggestion is done internally.

Great. Now with that being said. What do you guys consider when discussing these matters internally? I believe this will help us better understand how open the website is to suggestions.

We have several contributors (and by contributors i mean designers, programmers, developers, etc. in which make up this community) suggesting quality features/small additions for the better of the experience on this website. When things are discussed such as a better request forum, a "graphics tab", better organization in threads, would it not be essential to prioritize certain requests based on how much they effect the purpose of this website ?

"The Official vBulletin Modifications Site.", yet you say you guys aren't based off of 3rd-party-addons? Wouldn't anything here be "3rd-party", considering it's obviously not supplied by vb currently (or else it wouldn't be a modification)?

I'm just wondering why certain "obvious" methods and tools for this website have not been implemented, and are left at a status of "being discussed". This is the "official modifications website", why not modify it to represent it as so? Or are mine and other's views on the purpose of this site not in relation to the views of Jelsoft? Meaning the ideas and suggestions we have are better off left for a new website?

[nexialys]

i would vote Gio for president, but he is too young, even in Botswana!!

[Guest190829]

We consider everything when discussing suggestions internally. I know you're probably looking for something concrete, but that's as concrete of an answer I could give. Surely as a forum administrator yourself, you can understand this.

My particular approach to a suggestion though is to immediately argue against it in my head. Do we really need it? Is it the best approach? I think that kind of mental discourse is essential in addressing any type of potential changes to any infastructure.

I don't know when we said we aren't based on third-party modifications? I think you've misunderstood a statement by Joe in another thread about a totally different topic, but I could be wrong. All the custom code on this website has been made by a third-party rather than vBulletin...either by past or current staff or modifications made available through the community.

As for making suggestions, you don't need to know how we evaluate them to make a good suggestion. Here's some tips:

1.) Be professional.

2.) Explain What problem brought you to think about this suggestion.

3.) Tell us Why did you choose this particular suggestion as opposed to other alternatives? What makes your suggestion an appropriate one? The most appropriate one?

4.) You're suggestions are not apart of you. By that I mean, do not get insulted or offended if your suggestion is denied. If you think we are being unreasonable, PM us your thoughts.

[Paul M]

At first, I was trying to figure out if this was a joke or not.
It wasnt.

After realizing it wasn't (which probably made me laugh a tad more), now I'm left with just one more question.One more ? Looks like several to me.

What does this mean?Pretty self explanatory I would have thought. We dont have the will power to continue with threads that are simply members ranting because their suggestion is not instantly (or ever) implemented.

- Does it mean you do not have the time or will power to support/respond to feedback and suggestions given? If so, let me know so that i can give up now :pSee above.

Does it mean you only have the will power to support a "select few"?A "select few" what exactly ?

Just a few questions, feel free to sticky it so that members can have an idea of what to expect ahead of time when making suggestions :up:
Sticky it ? You can expect that your suggestion will be read, and if necessary, discussed. What you cannot expect is that it will be implemented. If we decide its good, and we have the time to do it, then it will be, otherwise it wont. If we decide not to then ranting about it, and the staff, will achieve nothing.

[Shelley_c]

hilarious. When in doudbt opt for the excuse get out clause and mistake suggestive comments for ranting. Heck, I'm lazy, I'll be the first to admit that so if your just pure lazy then just simply admit it.

And judging by the comments which are obviously direct at me with regards to a certain suggestion i made a few days earlier. I don't expect any suggestions to be made as soon i have posted. the suggestion i made was posted a year ago when someone stated that they will make changes when 3.7 comes along. Have they been made? I rest my case.

[puertoblack2003]

hilarious. When in doudbt opt for the excuse get out clause and mistake suggestive comments for ranting. Heck, I'm lazy, I'll be the first to admit that so if your just pure lazy then just simply admit it.

And judging by the comments which are obviously direct at me with regards to a certain suggestion i made a few days earlier. I don't expect any suggestions to be made as soon i have posted. the suggestion i made was posted a year ago when someone stated that they will make changes when 3.7 comes along. Have they been made? I rest my case.


hahahaha i'm sorry guys, but i had to post this.Everytime I read a comment from shelley she is pushy and that reminds me of my wife...don't know when to led up.But it's all good...you guys are great at what you do...:up:

Sorry , :hide: :hide: shelley i had to post something after reading hundreds of your comments and thats my reading of a good novel of the day. :0)

[Shelley_c]

hahahaha i'm sorry guys, but i had to post this.Everytime I read a comment from shelley she is pushy and that reminds me of my wife...don't know when to led up.But it's all good...you guys are great at what you do...:up:

Sorry , :hide: :hide: shelley i had to post something after reading hundreds of your comments and thats my reading of a good novel of the day. :0)

I suspect it's time you traded her in for a newer model pending someone will take you on.

[puertoblack2003]

I suspect it's time you traded her in for a newer model pending someone will take you on.

lol..na i learn to deal with it, after all till death do us apart and that's a long ways..:D

[Shelley_c]

mind if i ask. how many years have you currently served? :D

[puertoblack2003]

mind if i ask. how many years have you currently served? :D

10 years overall, 13 years together

[iogames]

Back to the point...
Yeah Forums is to interchange ideas, collaborate, learn together, team effort, round table, brainstorming, etc... that is what I explain to ppl who is not in the Forums field... :D
I never told them that mostly is a game of Egos, ppl trying to impose their views, ppl who go off over nothing, ppl who wants to make others to live their lives as theirs, ppl corrupted by little power... I simply don't have the heart to tell them :(

[Roms]

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