An update on whats going on

[Zachery]

Basicly, were are nearing the final stages of handing over the project to a group of coders so they will be able to continue the work. We would like to keep area51 open but matthew wants to use his license else where, since hies no longer directly involved. (That means we are sans one vB license for area51).

The uShop code is just about ready for a BETA test, it just needs to be packaged, documented, etc. Which will be the responsability of the new coders.

I will be announcing them over the next few days as we finalize some things.

[adb22791]

Good to hear! Can't wait to get uShop on my forums.

[weaver]

Thanks for the update. :)

[Stangsta]

I will be more than happy to beta test!

[ZGeek]

me too!

[Reeve of shinra]

very glad to hear the news

[romow]

Good job, Zachery!

[Deimos]

I'd be happy to beta test as well

[yukayumi]

Thanks Zachery, I've been waiting for this for months.

[jojo77]

can't wait til this comes out. much thanks for the update!

[Flow Fusion]

Heck i'll test the beta also.

[Lyricsmama]

Zachery you have no idea how many ladies at my forum just looooooove you and your team :)

[Makaveli105]

Sounds Great!! :D thanks for the update

[GT1]

Sounds great to me. I would be more then happy to Beta test and help in anyway that I can. Let me know what I can do.

[trackpads]

Basicly, were are nearing the final stages of handing over the project to a group of coders so they will be able to continue the work. We would like to keep area51 open but matthew wants to use his license else where, since hies no longer directly involved. (That means we are sans one vB license for area51).

The uShop code is just about ready for a BETA test, it just needs to be packaged, documented, etc. Which will be the responsability of the new coders.

I will be announcing them over the next few days as we finalize some things.

Excellent and thank you very much!

[Zachery]

Excellent and thank you very much!

I haven't been in contact with the new guys as of yet (holidays) Hoping to talk to them and get things started very soon.

[GT1]

I haven't been in contact with the new guys as of yet (holidays) Hoping to talk to them and get things started very soon.

You mentionned that the main reason for the pass off is you do not currently have a vb lisence of your own to use it on. Is this the main factor that is holding it back? I may be able/willing to provide you with a working board for at least 6 months. Let me know.

[Zachery]

You mentionned that the main reason for the pass off is you do not currently have a vb lisence of your own to use it on. Is this the main factor that is holding it back? I may be able/willing to provide you with a working board for at least 6 months. Let me know.

No, the public board (for testing) won't have a license, most of the developers should be able to setup a test enviroment.

[GT1]

Sounds good. Anxious to get this up and running on my boards.

[Sooner95]

Excellent, now that the Arcade addon is complete, can focus on this one.

I am available to Beta test this one as well, running PHP 5.

[Hoffi]

Really goog News, Zachery!

[Ky Kiske]

I would love to somehow get on the ground floor with this extension (I assume extension since Ucash was a plugin). My MSN is m_peacecraft[at]hotmail[dot]com

[dnlister]

yay ushop for 3.5!

Im going to make this page my home page :P

Great work guys.

[Ski-Whiz]

Great to hear progress guys!! This hack is the #1 hold up for most people wanting to convert to 3.5!

I SO WANT to try 3.5, but can't lose the ability to give my members the beer's in the store. :D

[Ky Kiske]

Hmm I wonder if there will ever be a port of this to make it into a real store where you can sell real products. Cause that would rock.

[turkforum]

Looking forward to install it..
Zachery, thank you very much..If you need a board to test.. You are more then welcomed.. :)

[dnlister]

Zach are there any more updates?

I hear talk of the project being completely dead? please dont say thats true :(

All i want for christmas is Ushop for 3.5.1 :)

[illusions]

I'll be happy to beta test too....thanks alot

[Dan]

Zach are there any more updates?

I hear talk of the project being completely dead? please dont say thats true :(

All i want for christmas is Ushop for 3.5.1 :)

No the project isn't dead dnlister, there is a team being put together from what I heard.

[Okie]

we just get a new seggestion (http://www.club2share.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37898) today to install this Mod .. hope it will be release soon if there is any help please let me know i may help if i can :)

[Wachtmeister]

Great news. One question: Will there be a new uCash also? Or will i base on an existing uCash version?

[Dan]

uCash and uShop are two seperate items afaik now, but uShop will require uCash. At least this is how i see it.

[GT1]

uCash and uShop are two seperate items afaik now, but uShop will require uCash. At least this is how i see it.

This is the case. My members are pushing hard for uShop right now. Can't wait to get it up and running! :)

[jesus likes pie]

You can already get a 3.5 version of uCash. Just no uShop....which I really want.

[eNtitY~]

ha, nice work

[Alteran Ancient]

I'm ready to BETA test! I'm ready to finally get it. Great work guys!

[Startinfresh]

WOO HOO

Can't wait to install them both. Been waiting for uShop so I can do both at once.

Thank you

[dnlister]

8 days with no updates!

Anything anyone can tell us would be great!

thanks

[harpez]

Yes, please tell us whats going on!

[Dan]

It's not going to get coded over night guys, it takes time to code things.

[Qwest]

Waiting Patiently Myself

[Sculli]

It's not going to get coded over night guys, it takes time to code things.
It would just be nice to know whether the hand-off to the new coder team worked out. I am a bit hesitant to install uCash on my 3.5.1 and get members all worked up, just to have to take it down because there will be no way to spend the points.

I realize this is a volunteer effort (though personally I would have no problem to pay or donate to a working product), and I am not asking for a working uShop right now, this minute, but a word or two from the new team would be nice if possible.

Thanks in advance.

[Revan]

The beta board has been restored, the new coders have yet to meet and talk things out.
We have not been granted CVS access as of yet.
The beta board is abit outdated (RC2) so it needs to be updated as well.
We need to bug Zak into installing the bug tracker, because IMO reporting bugs in threads is an unprofessional way of doing it when there's better options.

Now you know what I know.

[Wachtmeister]

Another question... What do i do with uCash without uShop? uCash makes no sense without a Shop, or do i misunderstand something?

I thought about using uCash on my system but everything that changes is, that users get points. They cannot do anything with those points... or?

So i uninstalled uCash. But maybe i just don't understand everything...

[Dan]

So your users can earn points and stuff like that, I have members that used to use the points system for other reasons in rpg threads and stuff like that and we had a couple members who added the items to their profile and removed the points.

(This was before itemshop hacks and rpg hacks and stuff like that)

[Sculli]

The beta board has been restored, the new coders have yet to meet and talk things out.
[...]
Now you know what I know.
Thanks for the update, much appreciated.

[Sooner95]

thx for the update. It is appreciated.

[slank]

cheers for working on this one...if any help is needed give me a shout, i work with php and mysql programming on a sourceforge project atm, so if an extra input is needed i will gladly help, NB. i am also very good at breaking programs in order to fix them and find the bugs

[Sco]

Hope its all going well, been waiting for this for a while now. Will this be ready for xmas?

[Lottis]

All i want fore christmas is my uShop pls.
My uShop pls, my uShop pls.
*sings with the voice i dont have* ;)

[turkforum]

All i want fore christmas is my uShop pls.
My uShop pls, my uShop pls.
*sings with the voice i dont have* :)

[[email protected] vbmenu_register("postmenu_848869", true);]

when can we beta test it? I want a go! lol ;)

ty for update, keep em coming plz plz plz

[rob30UK]

I have a testbed ready to load this up.

For everyone enquiring about uCash: I would recommend not installing it as it is pretty buggy and has ways of cheating the system to earn $$$$$$$$$$ very easily.

I doubt the ushop developer team would use the existing code without updating it, so my guess is that ucash minor/major version will be notched up one when the shop is released..... besides which, whats the point of ucash without ushop?

Hats off to the developer team... I am able to assist with cross browser / XHTML compliance if required.

[Revan]

For everyone enquiring about uCash: I would recommend not installing it as it is pretty buggy and has ways of cheating the system to earn $$$$$$$$$$ very easily.o rly? Well feel free to contact me or another developer with proof-of-concept code or detailed instructions for these exploits.
I don't know about the old developers, but *we* take this very seriously. Although, since I don't have CVS access at the time of writing this, I can't vouch for the uC code released (nor be held responsible for any bugs/exploits in the system).

As for the version number, I assume the hack is using a version number schema like "MajorVersion.MinorVersion.Build", which I assume means such serious bugs will bump the MinorVersion by 1, and possibly a Build increment as well.

[rob30UK]

o rly? Well feel free to contact me or another developer with proof-of-concept code or detailed instructions for these exploits.
I don't know about the old developers, but *we* take this very seriously. Although, since I don't have CVS access at the time of writing this, I can't vouch for the uC code released (nor be held responsible for any bugs/exploits in the system).

As for the version number, I assume the hack is using a version number schema like "MajorVersion.MinorVersion.Build", which I assume means such serious bugs will bump the MinorVersion by 1, and possibly a Build increment as well.

I realise it will most likely be a minor version upgrade (for bug fixes) but thought that maybe ucash would receive additional functionality and it was **possible** a major version could be reached.

Regarding the exploits... they are all listed in the ucash for vb 3.5 thread in the extensions forum.... please dont make me read it all again to pull them out... lol

[Lottis]

Are there any news about this hack? *pleas dont shoot ;P *

[rob30UK]

Revan....From memory, I think one bug involved clicking preview over and over when making a post.... you got credited with each preview if I recall the post from the other thread correctly.

[Regs]

Although, since I don't have CVS access at the time of writing thisStill?

Have the 'new' developers met yet to plan things out or code anything?

Thanks,

~Regs.

[Revan]

I realise it will most likely be a minor version upgrade (for bug fixes) but thought that maybe ucash would receive additional functionality and it was **possible** a major version could be reached.

Regarding the exploits... they are all listed in the ucash for vb 3.5 thread in the extensions forum.... please dont make me read it all again to pull them out... lolI see... I will get on reading that at a later point.
Revan....From memory, I think one bug involved clicking preview over and over when making a post.... you got credited with each preview if I recall the post from the other thread correctly.I see. Thanks for notifying me, I will look over the placement of the uC code before releasing the bundled version.
Still?

Have the 'new' developers met yet to plan things out or code anything?

Thanks,

~Regs.Today we recieved a CVS snapshot. A CVS/SVN server is not yet operational (though I can setup SVN in 5 mins, as long as I have everyone on IM to give out usernames/passwords). As such, it is pointless to start any development/bugfixing because I would have to trust people to download the new files. I would much rather wait until we have a version control server setuo.
The new coders have not yet met, I have only seen PixelFx (excluding myself) and as I understood it there would be several coders.
Organising this meetup and talk is taking too long, and since Zak is too busy, I am going to try taking the responsibility. I have (yet again) requested a list of the new coders, as well as admin/ftp rights for the development forum so I can get it upgraded to the latest vB version as well as contacting the new coders to organise a meetup.

I will post again in this thread once I have more news, for now this concludes the status update.

[Regs]

Thanks Revan...

At this point, do you think it would not be better to just forget about Zachery organising this and just have a bunch of you do it on your own?

It seems that there was a lot of momentum for that before Zachery stuck his head into the discussion.

I would be willing to throw in $200USD to the pot of donations that were growing.

Thanks again Revan, it must be frustrating for you as well :mad:

~Regs.

[Revan]

Thanks Revan...

At this point, do you think it would not be better to just forget about Zachery organising this and just have a bunch of you do it on your own?

It seems that there was a lot of momentum for that before Zachery stuck his head into the discussion.Are you suggesting mutiny? :p
It sounded to me like you wanted me to shanghai the hack and leave him out of it, which won't do because it IS still his mod now that Link backed out.
The organising of a meetup, the maintenance of the Beta board and such matters (hopefully) will be left in my care so that we can see a move on this sometime before vB10 is released.
I would be willing to throw in $200USD to the pot of donations that were growing.*chokes on drink*
I knew it was a good thing that I signed up for this gig...Har Har Har ;)
Thanks again Revan, it must be frustrating for you as well :mad:After the above, it certainly is :p

[Xplorer4x4]

I can;t do much coding, but I would be willing to help test it. :)

[Dan]

Currently from what I know we already have a good tester base at the dev site and everyone will be happy once it's completed for now I just suggest you wait untill the project is completed.

Just for a little update, dev site is running an RC of 3.5 and the only issue I see atm is a few errors in the code but it looks as if it mostly works. Once those bugs are worked out we should get a stable release.

Note I am not one of the coders on the project but one of the testers and this is what is going on so far with the project.

[Sooner95]

Thx for the update Dan.

[Lottis]

Thanx fore the update Dan and Revan. ;)
And good luck with this project Revan.

[VBUsers]

<--- subscribed to the thread

thanks for the info cant wait for it to come back

[lairnoc]

Cheers guyz.. keep up the good work. and for the rest to say it in game style. its done wenn its done :) lolz

Better a good hack than a quick buggy release!!!


go guyz go

[kylek]

Yes Virginia, there really is a Ushop!!!

Thanks for the updates!!

[Revan]

In case you didn't read Zak's thread, due to the fact that he's extremely busy, he gave me the responsibility of organising the meet.
So far I have been contacted by only one coder, and I know there's at least one more that has yet to contact me. It would be wrong to complain about this seeing as it's christmas time in every part of the world that celebrates it, so I think we can cut them some slack.
What I have yet to recieve is Admin and FTP access to the demo board. This board cannot go public at this time as per the vBulletin Licence Agreement. Matt pulled the plug on his licence, meaning until we can agree on a way to recieve donations, we are stuck without a public demo board.
The problem about donations is that Zak doesn't want the donations to go through his Business account, as that has nothing to do with Project uCS. And without a credit card, Paypal imposes a montly limit to the funds that can be recieved, as well as "Accept one, accept all" meaning that as soon as you accept the first payment, you automatically accept all other payments.
What Im gonna do today is create a new GMail address, and sign up to paypal using this. I will then PM the password for the email and Paypal account to him, and if he agrees we will be in business for taking donations that will go towards paying for a board licence.
As soon as that is in place, we will remove the password restrictions on this board, and you will be able to continue to post there.

As for the remaining coders, as I said I only know of one name and I will PM him after I submit this post. And when I finally have all coders' PMs in my inbox, I will get right on setting up the point of contact and mass PM them for them to verify that they will be able to show.

Im terribly sorry for the delays, I am no less annoyed by this than you are, believe me.

[Xplorer4x4]

It would be wrong to complain about this seeing as it's christmas time in every part of the world that celebrates it, so I think we can cut them some slack.

Look's to me like there was alot more gratitude then complaints as of late. :ermm: I think you have to atribute any complaints to Matt for abandoning ship so long ago with out a simple ocasional update.

I am just curious why you need a public test board? I offered to test and you said there were pleanty of testers.

Regardless keep up the good work, not just on uShop but your other hacks as well. ;)

[Revan]

Look's to me like there was alot more gratitude then complaints as of late. :ermm: Nono, I ment that I shouldn't complain. I'm really sorry if I made it sound like YOU people were complaining, that's NOT what I ment.
I am just curious why you need a public test board? I offered to test and you said there were pleanty of testers.Because the way I see it, coding a vB hack has (should have) 4 phases:
1. Localhost testing. You test it on your computer and weed out the obvious errors such as parse errors and blank pages.
2. Privately owned public board. You let some users try out the hack on a public board, but one owned and managed by you so that if something goes terribly wrong or serious bugs appear, it's not the end of the world (or the end of someones forum).
3. Public beta. You release the hack with the Beta tag slapped on it, and make it clear to users that they are installing a hack that MIGHT have bugs, but SHOULDNT have any serious ones.
4. Release. By then you have probably weeded out all but the most obscure bugs, which will either surface come time or remain hidden forever due to noone accessing them.

That way I believe you minimise the risk you are exposing your hacks users for, and in the end create a better product :)

[Xplorer4x4]

Nono, I ment that I shouldn't complain. I'm really sorry if I made it sound like YOU people were complaining, that's NOT what I ment.
Now your clear on that. ;)

3. Public beta. You release the hack with the Beta tag slapped on it, and make it clear to users that they are installing a hack that MIGHT have bugs, but SHOULDNT have any serious ones.

Good luck with that. :p LMAO!

[evenmonkeys]

Go go power coders! I was going to ask if this could be my Christmas present... but I think I'll hold off on that. =P Glad to see updates.

[akanevsky]

1. Localhost testing. You test it on your computer and weed out the obvious errors such as parse errors and blank pages.
2. Privately owned public board. You let some users try out the hack on a public board, but one owned and managed by you so that if something goes terribly wrong or serious bugs appear, it's not the end of the world (or the end of someones forum).
3. Public beta. You release the hack with the Beta tag slapped on it, and make it clear to users that they are installing a hack that MIGHT have bugs, but SHOULDNT have any serious ones.
4. Release. By then you have probably weeded out all but the most obscure bugs, which will either surface come time or remain hidden forever due to noone accessing them.

Too sophisticated. ;)

[Ky Kiske]

*sits on the side waiting to press "Install"*

[vietkieu_cz]

when you share Ushop for 3.5.X?

[TyleR]

when you share Ushop for 3.5.X?

When it's done...?

[evenmonkeys]

How long does it really take? I mean... I'm not trying to be an ass here... but other people create their very complicating hacks overnight. Hell, I write different scripts in a matter of a few hours. I just find it so hard to believe that it takes this long to release this hack. Maybe I'm being a little ignorant as I am not exactly sure what you're all putting into it, but it's a matter of adding and subtracting points while adding and subtracting options at the same time.

Maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about... but it seems like this has taken far longer than it should have. Either way, I'm still really anxious to see this hack finished. I just hope it happens soon.

If there is anything I can do to help out, please let me know. Even if it means paying for the test board license. =P

[Edog]

Let the masters do there magic. .

[tidy_boy]

I have just installed uCash cant wait for uShop :D:D:D

[Xtrato]

Very true I could pay a guy $100 and he would have it done in a week tops..

How long does it really take? I mean... I'm not trying to be an ass here... but other people create their very complicating hacks overnight. Hell, I write different scripts in a matter of a few hours. I just find it so hard to believe that it takes this long to release this hack. Maybe I'm being a little ignorant as I am not exactly sure what you're all putting into it, but it's a matter of adding and subtracting points while adding and subtracting options at the same time.

Maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about... but it seems like this has taken far longer than it should have. Either way, I'm still really anxious to see this hack finished. I just hope it happens soon.

If there is anything I can do to help out, please let me know. Even if it means paying for the test board license. =P

[Revan]

First of all, noone has paid us anything.
Secondly, I am still waiting for access to the test board, and Im waiting for normal days to resume before trying to organise a meet.
Beyond that, it shouldn't take too much work to get it done. I know you don't like the delays, so if you each want to pay people to make a 3.5 version or your own boards (ie not to release publically) then you are of course free to do so.

[evenmonkeys]

By access to the test board, do you mean access to their test board? The one that it's already been started on? Or do you mean a board inwhich you just need a valid license on? 'Cause like I said before... I'll help get this thing going even if it means buying the license for ya. I've got web hosting out the yinyang as well. Just let me know.

[TyleR]

By access to the test board, do you mean access to their test board? The one that it's already been started on? Or do you mean a board inwhich you just need a valid license on? 'Cause like I said before... I'll help get this thing going even if it means buying the license for ya. I've got web hosting out the yinyang as well. Just let me know.

When Matt (Link14716) dropped the uCash/uShop project, he took his lisence elsewere..thus, the development team needs cash to set up a public development board..I know I don't have the funds at this point after all the holiday shopping I did. As for hosting, I believe Zachary has us covered on that end.

Revan, correct me if i'm wrong :p

- Tyler

[djjeffa]

ill donate $ if it helps get this done :)

[Xplorer4x4]

Did anyone learn a lesson with the situation with Link..?

[TyleR]

If anyone wish's to donate to the uCash/uShop Development fund (to mostly get an owned vBulletin Lisence for the development site), read Revan's post here (https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=103824).

[djjeffa]

$ sent :)

[Revan]

When Matt (Link14716) dropped the uCash/uShop project, he took his lisence elsewere..thus, the development team needs cash to set up a public development board..I know I don't have the funds at this point after all the holiday shopping I did. As for hosting, I believe Zachary has us covered on that end.

Revan, correct me if i'm wrong :p

- TylerThat pretty much covers it, yeah.
I also mean access as in Admin/FTP so that when licence is bought, I can set it up and get the ball rolling.
Im pretty sure he'll get his ass in gear once we actually have something to show.
$ sent :)Thanks mate, every bit helps :)

[trackpads]

I will give you hosting if you need it and send some $ for the license.

[Snake]

Can someone just a install a special test board on your localhost for Revan for the uShop development? I guess that would be easier rather than purchasing a brand new vBulletin license.

[Brandon Sheley]

good to see this coming back around :)

[Revan]

Can someone just a install a special test board on your localhost for Revan for the uShop development? I guess that would be easier rather than purchasing a brand new vBulletin license.I have my own localhost, and so does every other member of the development team (I assume), the problem isn't that.
As it has been stated multiple times, we want a PUBLIC board on area51 to allow YOU people to hunt for bugs.

[Snake]

And why a public board? Does it have to be? You should know that it works on test boards, too. :p

[Xplorer4x4]

And why a public board? Does it have to be? You should know that it works on test boards, too. :p

They feel the neeed to test it on public test board so YES. The thing baout a private test board is that with a few people testing it there not as likley to find it compared to testing it in private.

PEOPLE, Leave them alone and let them work. I am sure there just as anxious for the shop as the rest of us.

[nir]

thank you ,i love work your fine

[TyleR]

They feel the neeed to test it on public test board so YES. The thing baout a private test board is that with a few people testing it there not as likley to find it compared to testing it in private.

Exactly..finding bug's isnt so easy as people might think..sometimes you're able to spot them, sometimes you're not..thats why we need a public test board so people will report any bugs on the site that they spot :)

PEOPLE, Leave them alone and let them work. I am sure there just as anxious for the shop as the rest of us.

You're right there ;)

- Tyler

[vietkieu_cz]

How far are you? When it's done :D?

[Dan]

It'll be done when it is done. If you want to speed it up in any way probably the best way would be to donate so we can get a public place to test and stuff.

[Revan]

I scheduled the meet for Saturday 01:00 GMT+1 (thouhgh I think I fecked up the dates in the PM, for some reason Windows set start of week to sunday), so things will start moving as far as development.
Release can't come before licence though, as that wouldn't be fair on the users.

[Snake]

It'll be done when it is done. If you want to speed it up in any way probably the best way would be to donate so we can get a public place to test and stuff.

So it's either wait or donate a few bucks, eh?

[Revan]

Its wait ,and if you want, donate, theres not enough funds to buy a licence yet. No special benefits or hidden betas or whatnot come to those that donate.

[lordnex]

I guess why buy your own board when others have offered test boards and even their own boards for access?

[Revan]

Well, we don't want some "leased" board where others would have access to the members area and could basically pull the plug on the board at any time. We want one that WE own.

[dan35]

How about this?

I have a spare owned inactive license, but it expired. If you want, I'm gonna lend you this license for 6 months for free, just need someone to donate $30 to renew it.

Moreover, I'm gonna donate the webhosting fees for 6 months by providing hosting for free.

[Snake]

That sounds like a good deal to me. Go go go! :D

[Revan]

We want one that WE own.

It's not that we don't appreciate the offers, we do, it's just that it's preferrable to have one we control.

[[email protected] vbmenu_register("postmenu_863643", true);]

is there a rough set date for the shop to be released?

[Wordplay]

great question that has never and probably will never be answered, until it's released.

[nir]

what with ushop ??when exited

[TyleR]

is there a rough set date for the shop to be released?

No.

- Tyler

[nir]

what with ushop ??when exited

[Reeve of shinra]

I'm a little lost as to what the plan is going to be.


It's not that we don't appreciate the offers, we do, it's just that it's preferrable to have one we control.


Who is "we" and what exactly happens to the liscence if three months down the road everyone is to busy and decides to leave the project... is that liscence then lost in limbo? Does a random developer get to take it?

As for beta testing, don't we have a beta testing forum for hacks here where users can download the files and install it and give it a run? I understand that this is a complex hack but I have no issues installing a beta on my live site and providing bug fixes for issues we come across, as well as some new actions for that matter that we are planning to develop.

We could, as suggested earlier in this thread, do the upgrade ourselves from the 3.0 version but if we can't release it for those who need it, then whats the point of doing so and for that matter, why waste the effort in doing the work that someone else already did it?

[Revan]

Who is "we" Me, TyleR, PixelFx.
and what exactly happens to the liscence if three months down the road everyone is to busy and decides to leave the project... is that liscence then lost in limbo? Does a random developer get to take it?Whoever decides to take over the project.
As for beta testing, don't we have a beta testing forum for hacks here where users can download the files and install it and give it a run? I understand that this is a complex hack but I have no issues installing a beta on my live site and providing bug fixes for issues we come across, as well as some new actions for that matter that we are planning to develop.https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showpost.php?p=854496&postcount=71
Second part of this post.
We could, as suggested earlier in this thread, do the upgrade ourselves from the 3.0 version but if we can't release it for those who need it, then whats the point of doing so and for that matter, why waste the effort in doing the work that someone else already did it?I said that because I didn't like the at the time rumblings about the delay of this project. I heard people talk big about donating large amounts of money, $200 and more, so far no such donation has been made. As such, there's gonna be a delay for public release.
Not only do we want a public privately owned test board, but we also want a more professional way of reporting and dealing with bugs than threads in a subforum here.

[sidekick]

hmmmm so any clue when are u guyz planning to release it, which month ?

[Regs]

I said that because I didn't like the at the time rumblings about the delay of this project. I heard people talk big about donating large amounts of money, $200 and more, so far no such donation has been made. As such, there's gonna be a delay for public release.So far, no one I've seen related to this project deserves my donation, it's as simple as that.

I've since spent my money elsewhere.

Good luck with your project and people skills.

Cheers,

~Regs.

[Revan]

So far, no one I've seen related to this project deserves my donation, it's as simple as that.

I've since spent my money elsewhere.

Good luck with your project and people skills.

Cheers,

~Regs.Sorry you feel that way.

[Regs]

No worries, as I said, good luck.

[Reeve of shinra]

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showpost.php?p=854496&postcount=71
Second part of this post.


So going by that post, is it safe to say then that the obvious errors have been weeded out and the port of this hack is ready to run on vb 3.5 for "phase 2"?

[fly]

I said that because I didn't like the at the time rumblings about the delay of this project. I heard people talk big about donating large amounts of money, $200 and more, so far no such donation has been made. As such, there's gonna be a delay for public release.
I donated some yesterday and more will come. Worst time of year to ask for donations tho. :P

[The Notorious]

Keep up the good job guys.

[TyleR]

So going by that post, is it safe to say then that the obvious errors have been weeded out and the port of this hack is ready to run on vb 3.5 for "phase 2"?

No, it's not safe to say that, as it's not that much ready..it still has kinks to be worked out, then packaged up for a Beta.

I, personally, still don't have access to the development board yet, so i'm not sure how many bug's have been squashed thus far.

- Tyler

[turkforum]

First of all, I will thank all developers for this hack again..You guys put some time and your eforts just to help and be noticed your names as developer..In my mind, I don't see any other reason, if you don't make any money for this..Becasue thats what I was doing past 3 years in my forum.. :) (not making any money)

As far as I see, you guys just need a public board..I have one of the biggest forum in vbullerin with 150.000 members..They will test it for sure.. :) So, I will purchase you guys a vb license and provide a ftp access for your board..It will be yours..I am not going to ask any future made donations that you deserve..I will be so glad to be part of this hack too.. Thats what we need right? :)

As I said, I want to be part of the hack so the board licensed is going to be purchased for X.turkforum.net domain..And it is not all..You guys will be able to creata any kind of your future hacks in this forum..Sometime,I will ask you guys a hack iI need..And, I will pay what I asked..I won't mind that you sell this hack or not later..

Is it enough to start where we left for UShop? :)

Ps: I keep my words thats why I write it here..

[LBSources]

If anyone wish's to donate to the uCash/uShop Development fund (to mostly get an owned vBulletin Lisence for the development site), read Revan's post here (https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=103824).
$$ sent.. lets hope it rocks once released ..

[nir]

there is new in the contact uShop ??

[Lottis]

So far, no one I've seen related to this project deserves my donation, it's as simple as that.


Just wanted to let Revan,TyleR and PixelFx know, that i dont think everyone share that same opinion that Regs wrote here.

All off you deserves credit, fore taking up this hack as a project.
Good luck boys. Il send some money, but its not the best month. But everything helps im shure. ;)

[JsnakeJ]

there is new in the contact uShop ??

Learn to read and type properly and you might not have to waste peoples time.

[nir]

Learn to read and type properly and you might not have to waste peoples time.
what do you want?
i from israel
i am not good english
then,relax hurry

[TyleR]

@Lottis: Thanks :)

@nir: obviously there's nothing new..asking every 24 hours wont change the answer until a release is posted.

- Tyler

[nir]

@Lottis: Thanks :)

@nir: obviously there's nothing new..asking every 24 hours wont change the answer until a release is posted.

- Tyler
thank you

[cashpath]

Has there really only been $60 donated to this?

[Revan]

Has there really only been $60 donated to this?At the time of writing this, yes. Though I think soon another $30 will be added, had to deny the payment due to the fact that we cannot accept Credit Card payments (Unverified Paypal account).

[fly]

Time to dig up posts from people that talked amounts... LOL

[Decado]

this ia taking such a long time, i mean ucash was finished in the middle of june, and it was said that ushop wouldnt be much longer, that was like what, 7 months ago, and almost two months since the current group had to put the "finishing touches" to it. It's obviously not an ideal situation so why does the group not stop waiting for something to fall out of the sky and give them a board and just take someone up on their offer of using their board or whatnot, just to get it finished.

[Snake]

Decado's right. Yeah, if it was Zero Tolerance, he could have get it done in like 10 minutes! :D

[tidy_boy]

Decado's right. Yeah, if it was Zero Tolerance, he could have get it done in like 10 minutes! :D

Zero Tolerance rocks. Keep up the good work with Ushop guys hope its avaliable soon

[Revan]

this ia taking such a long time, i mean ucash was finished in the middle of june, and it was said that ushop wouldnt be much longer, that was like what, 7 months ago, and almost two months since the current group had to put the "finishing touches" to it. It's obviously not an ideal situation so why does the group not stop waiting for something to fall out of the sky and give them a board and just take someone up on their offer of using their board or whatnot, just to get it finished.Whoever said that is wrong, the so-called "finishing touches" is converting it to vB 3.5 as well as fixing up the bugs we can find. The meetup is going to be held tonight, after which the development will start.
Decado's right. Yeah, if it was Zero Tolerance, he could have get it done in like 10 minutes! :DIt would also be coded in a style unreadable to humans, as well as running 600 queries to update the bank. If that's what you want... oh it isnt? Then just wait. kthxbai.

Im fed up to here with people complaining about how long this is taking. Regardless of some misconceptions running out there, this isn't a 10 minute job. Yes there's unwanted delays, but that's what to be expected when you hand a large project over to a completely new team of coders that have yet to meet, as well as standing without a licence.
So what if we use someone else's board. Not only would they have complete access to parts of the forum we do not wish them to have access to, but they would also have the option of destroying the forum at any given time. Im not accusing anyone, as I don't know any of the ones who offered personally, I'm just looking at it from the other side of the coin.
Whine about my people skills all you want, I still got a right to be pissed off over all this complaining.

And people wonder why modifications go paid or unreleased... sheesh...

[Snake]

Then at least, could you give us an exact date when it's gonna be released? Like next month, couple of days...?

[Asi9ine]

Then at least, could you give us an exact date when it's gonna be released? Like next month, couple of days...?
Year 2020?

Nah, I will stay on vB 3.0 thanks.

My coding skills have drastically improved since I got mixed up with a group of guys and let them do all my work. Since I started my own, I coded a professional website and customised vBulletin. So you would think that would warrant letting me in on the project? Apparently not. Zachery and Link(Insert loads of numbers here) don't return my PM's, and when Link returns my IM's, he is either ridiculously rude or fobs me off with crap like "yeah, [something about doing something later]" then I just leave. I don't expect the Store to get done at all, so I will be staying on 3.0. It is all well and good saying "Nah, none of you pay for this, it's free, so shut up". If you PROMISE something, it has to be done, no matter if it's free or worth 200 bucks. You might be sick of all the requests for it, but we are sick of the promises that are given out, we are sick of the threads devoted to it, we are pretty much annoyed that the work on it has stopped because the people originally working on it cannot seem to finish it, and (the most annoying thing is coming up) that they won't let insiders in.

I'm not well-known here. That is fine. But I am competent, and I even asked Link if I could have the files off him (THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY DONE) and finish the project myself. But as before, fobbed off. So people, don't expect it to arrive.

Sorry Revan, it's good of you to pick up the remains of a dead project, I am sure the more saintly patient members here appreciate your help a lot, but the rest of us are just bored with the waiting. I am sure I speak for a lot of people here.

[Revan]

Then at least, could you give us an exact date when it's gonna be released? Like next month, couple of days...?Can you give me an exact release date for a project you are cooperating with two other people on, people whos development speed is unknown to you, as is the amount of work that needs to be done?

[Snake]

Year 2020?

Nah, I will stay on vB 3.0 thanks.

There was no reason to say that because it can surely happen. :rolleyes:

[Decado]

From the First Page of the thread

"The uShop code is just about ready for a BETA test, it just needs to be packaged, documented, etc. Which will be the responsability of the new coders."

Thats where we got the finishing touches from. seems all you guys had to do was test, package and document it... Unless you're saying zachery is a liar?

EDIT : and you say they could destroy stuff etc etc, wellout it this way, even if you jsut get a few weeks on it and someone screws you, so what? you got a few weeks and lost nothing of any importance, since its just a private test. Or you can continue not using any forums and get how much... lets see... no work at all done. Your intelligence astounds me. Really, it does.

[Revan]

Then I guess I was mistaken, I haven't looked at the code due to not knowing what version control system we would be using.
My coding skills have drastically improved since I got mixed up with a group of guys and let them do all my work. Since I started my own, I coded a professional website and customised vBulletin. So you would think that would warrant letting me in on the project? Apparently not. Zachery and Link(Insert loads of numbers here) don't return my PM's, and when Link returns my IM's, he is either ridiculously rude or fobs me off with crap like "yeah, [something about doing something later]" then I just leave. I don't expect the Store to get done at all, so I will be staying on 3.0. It is all well and good saying "Nah, none of you pay for this, it's free, so shut up". If you PROMISE something, it has to be done, no matter if it's free or worth 200 bucks. You might be sick of all the requests for it, but we are sick of the promises that are given out, we are sick of the threads devoted to it, we are pretty much annoyed that the work on it has stopped because the people originally working on it cannot seem to finish it, and (the most annoying thing is coming up) that they won't let insiders in.

I'm not well-known here. That is fine. But I am competent, and I even asked Link if I could have the files off him (THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY DONE) and finish the project myself. But as before, fobbed off. So people, don't expect it to arrive.

Sorry Revan, it's good of you to pick up the remains of a dead project, I am sure the more saintly patient members here appreciate your help a lot, but the rest of us are just bored with the waiting. I am sure I speak for a lot of people here.Matthew said (afaik) that he'd want nothing to do with it anymore because it wasn't fun to him anymore. So why he told you to sod off isn't rly the concern of the uCS dev team nor does he speak for the team anymore. Any promises / deadlines put forth from him is null and void.
If you got enough time to work on this project actively, and code as per the vBulletin Coding Standards etc yada yada then I don't see why you can't join the team.
I'll be sending you an email right about after I finish this post.

EDIT : and you say they could destroy stuff etc etc, wellout it this way, even if you jsut get a few weeks on it and someone screws you, so what? you got a few weeks and lost nothing of any importance, since its just a private test. Or you can continue not using any forums and get how much... lets see... no work at all done. Your intelligence astounds me. Really, it does.If it was nothing but a private test board then we could just use the "vbtest" part of the licence couldn't we.
And Zachery said that if we could get together enough for a Leased licence, I am to send the money to him and he will make sure it remains active until enough dough comes in for it to be upgraded to an Owned licence. To which it lacks $20.
Now if youll excuse me, I have an email to send.

EDIT: That is, I would have had I been able to send him emails :p

[Decado]

Uh Revan, i noticed you ignored my proof that it was almost done... can you tell me if you are lying, or if zachery was? People deserve to know whos been feeding them lies, surely...

[Zero Tolerance]

It would also be coded in a style unreadable to humans, as well as running 600 queries to update the bank. If that's what you want... oh it isnt? Then just wait. kthxbai.

Well I believe everyone has a right to their own opinion, positive and negatve, but I do not believe it is in anyway fair to publically display negative opinions towards someone who has directly done absolutely nothing towards you, but ofcourse life isn't fair, and I'm not here to make enemies so I have no direct comment back towards you, what was said was uncalled for, so I have no reason to respond to it in the same manner.

Good luck with the conversion, I know how it feels to have a lack of time to do something which is in direct demand, but I'm sure these people will get what they seek before they realise it...

- Zero Tolerance

[Revan]

Uh Revan, i noticed you ignored my proof that it was almost done... can you tell me if you are lying, or if zachery was? People deserve to know whos been feeding them lies, surely...
Then I guess I was mistaken, I haven't looked at the code due to not knowing what version control system we would be using.

There's the answer, I should have used the quote tags when answering you. My bad.

Wow so where has all the time gone if the developement is just now about to start. Also you crossed the line with the comment about ZT. You mess with him and your messing with me as well. Just you wait. You will regret opening this can of worms.Rly.
I mean oh lets promise to have it soon and then 2 months later your just now saying dev is starting after saying that you had it basicly done. I mean just what the hell are you trying to pull here?I don't remember ME promising 2 months ago to have something done the day after. If you are referring to Matt then as I stated he no longer speaks on behalf of the uCS dev team.
Im starting to wonder if you even know how to code. I mean the port up of this I could have done in no time. I ported up bigger and more complex custom vbulletin modifications in a few hours. So whats taking so long?I'll give you a detailed list of what has happened since I first joined this project:
When I joined, I were first just "another dev". I didn't know much about what happened with the area51 (public dev board) licence, so I asked Zak if I could have Admin and FTP access to the board so I could update it (as it's still running on RC2). I was then told that Matt pulled the licence when he left.
I then asked so I could just get the development process on the move, because even if just the developers had access, it would still be more than just our localhosts. Zak is a very busy guy, so nothing happened. I then grew tired of waiting so I talked to Zak and then gained the responsibility of organising the whole thing.
At this time, Christmas was approaching. I figured it would be pretty dumb to expect the other developers to take breaks from their RLs to come to a meeting, so I decided to wait until after New Years.
And that leaves us where we are now. With nothing to show for the community and a meeting being held in about 2h 45 mins.
Also it takes you 2 months to figure out what your doing just becuase it was handed off to you thats sad. It shouldnt have taken any time at all especially since your just porting it.So it's two months since December started is it.

[Lottis]

Were has eXtremeTim posted this message you are quoting, Revan?
I do think that Revan would have some trustwith Zachary, since he gave him this projec. :ermm:

[Revan]

He deleted it, though I had the page opened in another tab so I still saw it and was able to reply to it.

[Lottis]

He deleted it, though I had the page opened in another tab so I still saw it and was able to reply to it.
I cant see that you have made some bad comment about ZT.
Why not let the coders do there work and give them some pease?
Its not there foult that the original coders set the date sutch early point as they did.

This is new stuff and they probably need time to figure things out.
Give the boys some space and credit. They are the only one that was willing to step in, so why sutch anger? If someone think they can do better, why dident they?

Originally Posted by eXtremeTim
Im starting to wonder if you even know how to code. I mean the port up of this I could have done in no time. I ported up bigger and more complex custom vbulletin modifications in a few hours. So whats taking so long?

This is interesting. Why dident you do that then?

[TyleR]

Holy hell people..just because you have you're own opinions about how "easy" this should've been, doesn't mean it actually is easy..you don't know all the new code Matthew (Link17416) put into the code since his last release of the combined uCash/uShop.

Don't like how long it's taking? Well, i'm sorry, but it's not going to speed up just because you wish to whine about it.

Grow up people, b!tching and whinning really isn't going to do much here..personally, i just laugh at the people who whine and crap..just quite funny..if you havent successfully ported this from 3.0.x, don't speak negatively whatsoever, as you have no clue the extensive coding already finished by Matthew before he dropped the project for this very reason (b!tching).

- Tyler.

[Decado]

Lottis coders need permission from the original creators to do that, that is why.

and

"It would also be coded in a style unreadable to humans, as well as running 600 queries to update the bank. If that's what you want... oh it isnt? Then just wait. kthxbai."

Is what revan said about ZTs work after someone said ZT would have done it quicker.

[Lottis]

Thank you,Decado. I couldent see whats wrong with that. But thats why im not a coder. ;P
I just cant understand why the boys who tryies to finish this, get so mutch negativ comments. And why suddenly everything is soooooo easy to creat.
Where was they, when Zachery was asking if anyone was interesting in this project?

[Decado]

probably working on other projects at the time. I know that ZT is and has been working on inferno, and before that he ported a lot of hacks over to 3.5, and done VB shout, vb radio, inferno quiz, rpg inferno 2.4, inferno warning system etc etc, and I dont doubt the other commenting coders are the same. I wouldn't be surprised to see one or two make a new store hack because their members and they got fed up waiting for this one, but its always better to try and get the original port completed first, than start from scratch on your own product.

[dnlister]

wow, such hostility?

The guys that are complaining i suggest that if your in such a hurry to get this mod done go and pay $400+ to get this done privately.

Raven has started the ball rolling, he has arranged a meeting which is most probably been held as i type this and hopfully the guys can get to work on this. Remember you have paid nothing, you have contributed nothing. So dont expect everything. These things take time.

Raven, just a heads up. Dont listen to these negative people. They are just a handfull of the people. There are most probably 100s of your supporters here that are 101% behind you and your decisions. Take your time.

Thank you
Martyn

[Revan]

Well, the meeting that was supposed to be held 13 hours ago went in the schitter :P
TyleR and KrisV1 got the timezones mixed up, and Pixel had to log because of unforeseen personal reasons.
I will try to reorganise it today. This time I shall have NO mixups!

[Electrohead04]

Hey, I am really confused lol.. This thread is so long and you are talking about the details of the project..

Whens the estimated release for uShop and uCash?

[Snake]

uCash has been released already. We are all waiting and getting ours hopes up to get uShop like soon. :)

[Asi9ine]

Yes, a meeting has been scheduled, and there is no reason to not get it done. You can be sure that future versions shall be covered by us too. I'm going to make sure that we get this sorted out, so don't worry. I remember the good old saying:

"If you want something done, just do it yourself."

[Lottis]

Yes, a meeting has been scheduled, and there is no reason to not get it done. You can be sure that future versions shall be covered by us too. I'm going to make sure that we get this sorted out, so don't worry. I remember the good old saying:

"If you want something done, just do it yourself."
Are you in this project now?

[Revan]

Yeah he is, I forgot to update the relevant page.
Also, the meeting had to be rescheduled for tomorrow as today proved to be impossible.
So far it sounds like it's gonna work though.

[Murty]

This is getting rediculous, people have been waiting 2 months for this hack, how hard would it be to use the original v0.95 (i think it is) with 3.5? would it work or not?

[Xplorer4x4]

This is getting rediculous, people have been waiting 2 months for this hack, how hard would it be to use the original v0.95 (i think it is) with 3.5? would it work or not?

Go do it yourself and find out. You can't? Then quit complaining, or go pay someone to port it for you.

Did anyone learn a lesson from bugging Matt/Link about this hack? Next thing we know he abandoned it without a single note for several months. At this point I wouldn;t blame the new team for devoleping it either.

[Asi9ine]

*Changes name to Asi9ine*

No it is impossible. The whole idea of upgrading forum software is to add new database tables, variables, etc. You can try if you like, but your installation will not go past stage two. Please just be patient. I am going to speed up this process, for both my own benefit and yours.

[JsnakeJ]

Thanks Kris, nice seeing you again by the way.

[[Stryder]]

What people need to learn in some way is that shit like this takes time, obviously many of you assume that coding is very easy and big projects such as this can be done overnight. It's not easy, anyone of you of course is more than welcome to try it themselves, i'm sure that will go... well. But now we have dedicated people working on it (Hi Kris).

I'd donate something but I have my own things to keep going right now, best of luck people you know i'll be checking back...

[Asi9ine]

Thanks a lot. We will do you proud :) (I'm on in a bit, just working out some computer problems)

Well, many of you have been on GeekyDesigns, and seen the stage that it is at. The commands and integration work fine, but it still takes time. Looking at the code of the previous versions, there is a lot more than what you see. Just be patient.

At this time I won't say a projected date, I will leave that up to Filip (Revan). But you can be sure that a lot of time will be spent on it from now on in. Thanks for the good input we have received. To those who were as impatient as I am, take this nicely placed middle finger. This is more difficult than I thought it would be, so bear with us.

[romow]

yes, don't listen to those handful of folks that do not know how to code and only look for whom to blame.
there are plenty of us who appreciate you guys' volunteering.

[Decado]

Ironically the comments on "coding takes longer than you think" comes from the non coders. I am one myself (a non coder) but i work with coders day in day out, and i have been assured that other than the not exactly helpful layout of the code, this job is about 6 straight hours max to convert.

[nir]

hello friends
there is new ushop ??
thank you
.......

[Revan]

Ironically the comments on "coding takes longer than you think" comes from the non coders. I am one myself (a non coder) but i work with coders day in day out, and i have been assured that other than the not exactly helpful layout of the code, this job is about 6 straight hours max to convert.And maybe we want to change that when we get the administrative stuff sorted out? Maybe we want to release a hack that is not only a pure convert but is IMPROVED from the previous?
It is obvious that alot of you out there wants to code custom actions et cetera, so if we can improve the code to make performing those actions easier (ie a solid API of functions to perform the most common tasks) then that is something I want.
Yes it will take longer, but in the end you will be better of for it, because all your custom actions would have to be rewritten for vB 3.5 anyways, so IMO it's better to make you wait for an extra week or two (this is not referring to past, but future development time) and save you having to rewrite the actions once again.

[tidy_boy]

And maybe we want to change that when we get the administrative stuff sorted out? Maybe we want to release a hack that is not only a pure convert but is IMPROVED from the previous?
It is obvious that alot of you out there wants to code custom actions et cetera, so if we can improve the code to make performing those actions easier (ie a solid API of functions to perform the most common tasks) then that is something I want.
Yes it will take longer, but in the end you will be better of for it, because all your custom actions would have to be rewritten for vB 3.5 anyways, so IMO it's better to make you wait for an extra week or two (this is not referring to past, but future development time) and save you having to rewrite the actions once again.

That sounds fine to me. Iwould prefer to wait and get a better release :D keep up the good work

[Murty]

Go do it yourself and find out. You can't? Then quit complaining, or go pay someone to port it for you.

I apologies for being so rude, unfortuantly i am handy with most computer stuff except programming. I hope this project does get looked at, cos i have been impressed with the previous version. Good luck guys.

[TyleR]

hello friends
there is new ushop ??
thank you
.......

Coulda swore I told ya 2 pages ago asking every 24hrs wont make a difference..when uShop is released, there will be an official announcement in this forum.

[nir]

Coulda swore I told ya 2 pages ago asking every 24hrs wont make a difference..when uShop is released, there will be an official announcement in this forum.
i'm sorry

[Snake]

Any progess so far?

[Revan]

Meeting has been completed successfully, and all files have been uploaded to a version control system.
Work is expected to commence at any time.
There's no set ETA because each coder has to familiarise himself with the new code and iron out bugs.

[zappsan]

Nice to see the work is going on^^
Thanks guys and godd luck with the coding :)

[Asi9ine]

Yes, progress report from me is certainly very promising. I have the Store installed to my Localhost, and I will do everythign in my power to work out some of the bugs that have so far made this hack unavailable.

As stated before, please have patience. The hard work starts from now on in.

[JsnakeJ]

Nice progress guys. Once you guys are ready I will be sure to help with the beta testing.

[DS MrSinister]

thanks revan for the update. keep up the good work..

[vietkieu_cz]

It's good sound, when will you Share it , Revan?

[Murty]

Yeah, nice work guys. Awesome to hear this progress.

[JsnakeJ]

It's good sound, when will you Share it , Revan?
He said it will be at least a couple of weeks. If people quit bugging him I bet it'd be done sooner.

[Revan]

I don't know waht the other developers are focusing on, but my main priority will be to revise the aquiring and transferring of points.
This is included, but not limited to, New Post/New Thread, Deposit/Withdraw to/from Bank.
It is areas such as this where the biggest number of exploits exist, and I take the matter of exploiting the hack to gain unfair advantages very seriously.

[maroulis]

DNForum.com runs the uShop on 3.5.3 which I believe they custom coded.. maybe you want to check w/them too to re-use source?

[JsnakeJ]

They don't have anything like uShop on there from a glance of 15 seconds for me. Thanks for giving me the WinFixer virus back. :devious:

[maroulis]

Thanks for giving me the WinFixer virus back. :devious:

????

[JsnakeJ]

The site you linked brings up popups that give people viruses/spyware.

[Asi9ine]

Nice. Don't link people to it if it does that, thanks.

And I might as well talk about what I am doing at the moment. I am adapating this to fit the newest version of vBulletin, because many of you will have the misconception that the uCS we are coding will work with EVERY version of 3.5, no matter which version you use or how many versions we release. Wrong. Amongst other things, the adapting I have done so far has included 3 SQL Queries to add tables that just don't exist at the moment. You guys hate doing them. So right now, I am trying to add all of the tables into the XML Product plugin (for the Store) so you don't have to do the stupid Queries. It will be just a simple file upload into your AdminCP like the uCash was. That may take days to do. I really don't know a finish date.

Once we finish, there will be a subforum explaining how to install addons, and how to create them. We are exploring our creativity in this project too, and you will be welcome to add input when it is finished.

[tidy_boy]

Which versio of 3.5 will it work for then as I am using 3.5.2

[Asi9ine]

Which versio of 3.5 will it work for then as I am using 3.5.2
Already works for 3.5.0 / 1 / 2. 3 in the pipeline.

[JsnakeJ]

Nice, this means I don't have to upgrade yet. :D

[maroulis]

The site you linked brings up popups that give people viruses/spyware.

I'm wondering as to how ignorant you must be.. DNForum is the larget Domain Names related forum with subscriptions at $150 & $500 (!) if you have spyware from browsing porn at night it's your own problem..

think before you type something stupid

[JsnakeJ]

Actually this computer hasn't been on a single porn site. I bring up that forum and I get a popup to install WinFixer. I just went onto it again but this time it didn't. That could of just happened because my computer had been up for 3 days. Sorry for the mixup.

Also, they don't have a FORUM store on there, just one that you actually buy stuff with.

[zappsan]

Ok, this hasn't been really clear to me:
But will Area51 open again once you've got a license and will all my threads still be there?
I've made a lot of bug reports and suggestions and it would be nice if they were still there since I don't remember most of them...

[Asi9ine]

Ok, this hasn't been really clear to me:
But will Area51 open again once you've got a license and will all my threads still be there?
I've made a lot of bug reports and suggestions and it would be nice if they were still there since I don't remember most of them...
Yes, Area 51 is still there, but to keep in with vBulletin copyright and piracy laws, we aren't allowed to make it a public forum. It is currently under password access, and only available to a few people. But be assured that your input is as welcome as it is intact. Nothing has been deleted.

[KW802]

Just noticed this on DNF today...

http://www.dnforum.com/f264/ustore-ushop-vb-3-5-3-a-thread-128375.html

[JsnakeJ]

Gotta join for it, no wonder.

[maroulis]

that was posted by myself... I do believe they run uShop

[JsnakeJ]

At the address http://www.dnforum.com/ushop.php correct?

[maroulis]

yes that is correct

[Asi9ine]

Can you stop posting those links in here please? If you wish to use that one, go use it. Don't post it in here though, because it is showing a blatant disrespect for the work we have done on this. Please, by all means use their paid program, but don't advertise it in here. Thank you.

On topic, I have decided to commit my vB licence to this project, so it can go up on Area51 and you guys can carry on reporting bugs. This means sacrificing my own forum, of course... :(

I will update this page with the link to the official bug tracking pages and the Store when I can. It is an instantaneous change, because all I need to do is point my licence to the link of Area51 and it is legal again. So be patient about that. We really need that test site to be up, because I have no doubt our coders are working at different speeds, and we want to know we are on the right track.

Pfft, I hate long updates. But be prepared for them :)

[maroulis]

how am I advertizing it? I have vb 3.5.2 and waiting for uShop myself. If you want money to move fwd let me know.. In the mean time I was ASKING if they are indeed using uShop and if SO how they manage to get it done w/3.5.3 (!)

if this is ADVERTISING then you have a serious problem....

[Asi9ine]

how am I advertizing it? I have vb 3.5.2 and waiting for uShop myself. If you want money to move fwd let me know.. In the mean time I was ASKING if they are indeed using uShop and if SO how they manage to get it done w/3.5.3 (!)

if this is ADVERTISING then you have a serious problem....
I will not lower myself into arguing with you. I am trying to get some work done, and I won't have some random guy advertise (yeah, that's right, ADVERTISE) the link of another forum that has the program finished on. I have no problem, and I am not trying to pick a 'fight', because it's below me. I would be happy if you were to stop flaming people in this thread and let us get on with our work and let you get on with yours. Let it be the end of it there.

[maroulis]

.....sorry for taking up your precious time FYI i run a board which competes with DNF but like I said you have no idea..

rgds,
SM

[Asi9ine]

.....sorry for taking up your precious time FYI i run a board which competes with DNF but like I said you have no idea..

rgds,
SM
No problem. Please come again.

[KW802]

Asi9ine,

It's hardly "advertising" at all, not even close to it in fact. If I was responsible for this project I would be more than just a bit curious & concerned about the fact that another group has successfully converted the application to vB 3.5.x and will possibly *charge* a fee for assisting others with it.

With that thread I linked to Zachery and others should be thinking about a whole bunch of possible issues that will occur as a result if DNF actually goes ahead with it.

[maroulis]

For those interested, I just got a quote for $300 to have it integrated w/my board.. There's also one more guy that posted in the same thread I assume he got the same response... that's $600

I'd be more than happy to assist in raising funds and donating to Zachery for acceleration of development of uShop

[Revan]

Just in case anyone wonders, if other people were to charge for converting the uCS hack for other people than themselves, they are in fact breaking the law.
It is illegal to convert and sell this hack without our permission, which I can assure you they do NOT have.

maroulis, if you can give me a copy of the email/pm you recieved concerning the quote, we will forward it to the proper authorities.

[vietkieu_cz]

This hack is for selling? If yes, how much?

[Revan]

If you want to make yourself accessory to a crime, then go ahead and keep trying to buy it.

[bitbender]

There are most probably 100s of your supporters here that are 101% behind you and your decisions. Take your time

Word....That. Alot of us just keep checking back from time to time.. :) Please know that just cause we don't speak up all the time, that doesn't mean we don't support it. This forum master does..and my membership is dying to have these features back in the vb35? version too!

Cheers...Bitbender

[Decado]

Revan if they are smart and charge for the service of installing it, and not the product itself, it's legal.

[maroulis]

surely they've made modifications if current version doesn't run on 3.5.3... Thanks for bringing this up as I was totally unaware of implications and just wanted to have this installed in my forum...

will PM you details in a minute...

[Revan]

Revan if they are smart and charge for the service of installing it, and not the product itself, it's legal.So you are telling me if they charge for installing the hack on a forum, even if they updated it without permission, it's legal?
I don't believe that, but I'll pass the details along when I get them and we will see what the people higher up has to say.

[Asi9ine]

So you are telling me if they charge for installing the hack on a forum, even if they updated it without permission, it's legal?
I don't believe that, but I'll pass the details along when I get them and we will see what the people higher up has to say.
Agreed. I don't believe Zachery OR Matt sanctioned this, or otherwise they would have released that version.

[Exitilus]

*anxiously awaits for this to be released for 3.5* ... *lol* :)

I don't have the time to read through this. But from what I can see it's a work in progress and I can't wait :)

[nir]

there is new ushop ?
when released?

[Revan]

there is new ushop ?Can you please understand: NO. NJET. NEIN. NIX. NEI.
I have added you to my ignore list because I refuse to see any more of these posts, ever.

[nir]

When does the uCash & uShop mod will release ?

[Decado]

Revan the modifying of code in itself is not illegal, and the free supply of this code, if it is not for sale elsewhere, is also *in most countries* legal. In some countries copyright also gives the right to refuse any distribution. Assuming that these people do not originate from one of these countries, then supplying installation for a fee is perfectly legal. Of course you cold jsut as easily revoke permission to use the code from these sites, and file a DMCA notification to their hosts ;)

[Asi9ine]

When does the uCash & uShop mod will release ?
STOP ASKING! CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

S T O P A S K I N G !

I have reported you to an Admin, and I hope they will deal with you. I am sick of the way you are taking the p***.

[Revan]

Revan the modifying of code in itself is not illegal, and the free supply of this code, if it is not for sale elsewhere, is also *in most countries* legal. In some countries copyright also gives the right to refuse any distribution. Assuming that these people do not originate from one of these countries, then supplying installation for a fee is perfectly legal. Of course you cold jsut as easily revoke permission to use the code from these sites, and file a DMCA notification to their hosts ;)What is different here is that the rules and regulations regarding work released online NOT under the GPL does not count based on the laws of each country. And unless explicitly stated otherwise, vBulletin.org hacks are released free for use and personal modification. What is not allowed is to modify and release code ("modify" meaning making slight changes as in fixing a bug, converting to new versions of the "mother software" in this case vB) either for free or for a fee, without the authors consent.
If they completely rewrote the hack, thus making it hard (if not impossible) to find the original code, they would obviously be allowed to sell it, and branding it uShop would just be disrespectful.
If what you are saying applied then I could simply travel to the Seychelles or wherever, resell pirated software, hack servers or basically break any other Internet law you can think of. Which quite frankly I don't beleive for a second is possible.

[Decado]

Well i hate to break it to you, but it is. I point out to you the several swedish torrent sites, which continue to run because swedish law does not yet prohibit them. The fact is if its not illegal in the country of origin, then the person CANNOT be charged for it. Its really quite simple.

if its not illegal where you are - you can't get charged for it.

At most an extradition request could be put in to allow the person to be deported to a country to be charged for breaking its laws, but i don't see that happening over this, do you?

it's never a good idea to assume anything about the law just because it seems liek it should, or shouldn't be that way. At the end of the day unless its illegal in the country the person is originating from, there isn't much you can do about it. Put it this way - you're local PD arent going to be able to arrest someone in the seychelles, are they? neither will any member of your countries law enforcement, because they have no jurisdiction in that country. It's really a rather simple concept.

[Asi9ine]

Well i hate to break it to you, but it is. I point out to you the several swedish torrent sites, which continue to run because swedish law does not yet prohibit them. The fact is if its not illegal in the country of origin, then the person CANNOT be charged for it. Its really quite simple.

if its not illegal where you are - you can't get charged for it.

At most an extradition request could be put in to allow the person to be deported to a country to be charged for breaking its laws, but i don't see that happening over this, do you?

it's never a good idea to assume anything about the law just because it seems liek it should, or shouldn't be that way. At the end of the day unless its illegal in the country the person is originating from, there isn't much you can do about it. Put it this way - you're local PD arent going to be able to arrest someone in the seychelles, are they? neither will any member of your countries law enforcement, because they have no jurisdiction in that country. It's really a rather simple concept.
Which country does this DNForum originate in?

[Decado]

I have no idea, i was just pointing out the possibilities.

[Startinfresh]

Hope all is going well with the uShop!!

[TyleR]

@Decado: No code, even edited code, is subject to sale without the written consent of Matthew Gordon (Link14716) or Zachery.

From the uCash/uShop files:

/*================================================= =====================*\
|| ################################################## ################## ||
|| # uShop Hack Version 1.0.0 # ||
|| # ---------------------------------------------------------------- # ||
|| # A Geeky Designs Production! # ||
|| # PHP Code by: squall14716 # ||
|| # Templates by: Zachery # ||
|| # This may not be redistributated without consent from Geeky Designs ||
|| # Copyright 2005-2006 Geeky Designs # ||
|| ################################################## ################## ||
\*================================================ ======================*/

[BrandiDup]

I just installed uCash and can not wait to try out uShop! I've never used it before but it definitely sounds like something worth waiting for. Thanks for stepping up and getting this done for everyone. If I knew anything at all about coding or testing, I would most certainly volunteer to help. I just don't have the skills yet :P

Anxiously but patiently waiting!

[Decado]

Tyler i never said it was. I said the sale of installation of it was legal. And i said that the distribution of it from certain countries is legal, in the sense that it isnt challengable (i.e nothing can be done about it)

[JsnakeJ]

Its server is in America. http://www.whois.sc/dnforum.com Its illegal then.
(http://www.whois.sc/dnforum.com)

[Sooner95]

so.. is their gonna be a shop or no?

[JsnakeJ]

If you'd read more than just the last page you'd know...

Yes, there will be, the beta should be out shortly I believe, if all things go as according to the develepors plans. Just be patient.

[Asi9ine]

I swear I have heard of Sooner95.

And BrandiDup is pretty :nervous:

Aaaand... the Plugin gets done today. Revan was finishing the plugin off, and gave a due date of today. He's worked in superhuman speed to get it done. I am quite certain I have finished the code which allows direct uCash transfer in some Shop options without having to go to the main bank page to update. That in question is basically so members with slower Internet have to go through less pages, and therefore less pain :P

THEN we put it in the hands (e-hands of course :P) of the Beta testers. I have one forum in mind at this very moment, so we are open to applications. I am writing the relevant form out right now, for members to copy, fill out and send to us. Basically, what we are after is a small, close-knit community with a few members who are very experienced in this line of coding work. Instead of saying "oh crap theres an error" I want you to be able to describe the exact problem to me. Or at least the page the error is on :P

That will come later. Not a certain finishing date right now.

[peterska2]

/me raises hand

Please Sir,

Are you letting little sites beta test it? I'm pretty good at hammering at things till they die myself, so I'll be happy to play with it.

/me puts hand down

/me looks sheepish

[Asi9ine]

Hmmm. Not particularly looking to hand over the pack to sites who will edit the bugs themselves. That would take all the credit away from us :P

But seriously, maybe. I just worry about the idea because if you guys find and iron out a bug, we wouldn't know about it. Perhaps you could if you gave a full report on the things you find. I will take a look at your site right now to check its compatibility with our criteria. Maybe even join, I don't know :)

[peterska2]

Don't worry, I won't think about fixing anything codewise without poking all the right people first and then again afterwards with what I did.

I've not got uCash on there at the moment. We used to have uCash and uShop until about 3.0.6 then I got fed up reinstalling it so took it off. My members were not too happy about it though.

[Asi9ine]

Don't worry, I won't think about fixing anything codewise without poking all the right people first and then again afterwards with what I did.
Haha, fair enough :P

I've not got uCash on there at the moment. We used to have uCash and uShop until about 3.0.6 then I got fed up reinstalling it so took it off. My members were not too happy about it though.
I bet they werent either! :disappointed:

I will take a look at the forum now.

[peterska2]

ok, poke me if you've got any questions.

oh, forgot to say, it'd be at peterska2.co.uk not dontgiveahttp://www.peterska2.co.uk/images/smilies/censored.gif?.com

[Wordplay]

THEN we put it in the hands (e-hands of course :P) of the Beta testers. I have one forum in mind at this very moment, so we are open to applications. I am writing the relevant form out right now, for members to copy, fill out and send to us. Basically, what we are after is a small, close-knit community with a few members who are very experienced in this line of coding work. Instead of saying "oh crap theres an error" I want you to be able to describe the exact problem to me. Or at least the page the error is on :P

That will come later. Not a certain finishing date right now.i'd love to test it, if you still need beta testers, my board has been waiting for this since 3.5 RC1 came out.

[docvader]

I"ve done some beta testing for Uae's vbpager a while back, and we've been using ucash/ushop for a while. My members are pretty experienced as to how it is supposed to work. I guess I'd be willing to help you guys figure out the bugs.
rich

[Reeve of shinra]

I am willing to help beta test on www.shinraonline.com as well. We have a large community and have alot of experience is hacking our board to shreds ;)

[TyleR]

I am willing to help beta test on www.shinraonline.com (http://www.shinraonline.com/) as well. We have a large community and have alot of experience is hacking our board to shreds ;)

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[Sooner95]

If you'd read more than just the last page you'd know...

Yes, there will be, the beta should be out shortly I believe, if all things go as according to the develepors plans. Just be patient.

My bad.. i must have miss the last couple pages.. been reading this thread sinc eit started..

Good to see its coming along.

Willing to offer up my BBS for testing ground as well. www.bulldogbbs.com

I have the last ucash hack installed.. 1.1.1 i think it is..is it a good idea to remove this, or is this going to be able to upgrade right on over it?

thanks

[Reeve of shinra]

:ermm:

Obviously I will be upgrading to 3.5 for the beta...

[Revan]

I have the last ucash hack installed.. 1.1.1 i think it is..is it a good idea to remove this, or is this going to be able to upgrade right on over it?It will be able to upgrade from 1.1.1, but ONLY the latest version available here on vB.org (which will be taken down once uCS is released).

I have completed the installer, and am passing the word around to developers for them to Update their files and test it out.
This installer will be able to upgrade from uCash 1.1.0 (not RC's), but it will NOT be able to carry over your uShop tables from vBulletin 3.0. This is due to the version checking system issues.
You are advised to remove uShop tables from your database before attempting to run this installer, because no error checking code exists that will prevent SQL errors.
Notice of this will be posted in the release thread as well, just saying it right now as well.
This version has been branded internally as 2.00 Beta 1, and will be released as 2.01. The major bump in the version number is due to the fact that this is the first version on vB3.5 that features both hacks bundled, as well as numerous fixes for exploits and annoyances found in older versions.
No estimated release date exists as of yet.

[The Notorious]

Good to hear things are getting together. Keep up the good job!

[JsnakeJ]

Can't wait to test it. :)

[dnlister]

Well done guys, keep up the great work.

Its amazeing that you already have an installer almost done and are ready for testers shortly. Kepp up the great pace!

Martyn

[Sooner95]

Very good... thx.

I'll just uninstall the old one, I prefer to start fresh anyhow.

Really looking forward to this.