"Coders discussion" forum is now a private forum.

[Zachariah]

/me blushes.

Translation:
It's a place for geeks to "FLEX" in their Geekdom. :glasses:
We are the Borg.

[Logikos]

[high]* Logikos bows to Stefan [/high]

[Freesteyelz]

Originally Posted by Xenon

This thread is an interesting read really...

I think that's why I'm involved in it; mainly for conversational purposes.

[SaN-DeeP]

Originally Posted by Xenon

This thread is an interesting read really...

I will just make some final statements here, naming our reasons whay this forum has been added in the way it is now:

vbulletin.org was a board for coders at first, normal members were always welcome to get hacks/support and were thankful. Coders enjoyed the time here as there were a lot of them, so it was a meeting point of specialists.

that was the beginning, but that has changed, the ratio between coders to members has been strongly evolved into members direction, and so changed also the way of talking/posting on vbulletin.org. That's a natural thing on sites like this, and you cannot see it as a positiv or negativ aspect, just the way it is.

But that change leads to problems of course. Coders miss the "old days" where they could talk to each other on a professional base. That's why we wanted to give them a place where they could talk to each other like in the old days, and we made it the way it was, that anyone could join the group.

But that didn't make out as we want it. A lot of people just joined that group and asked questions which could have been in the other forums already, but they thought now they have more attention by coders, so we restricted it to coders only. And the reson it is private now, is because a lot of coders mentioned, that they want to talk about unfinished projects in there, which should not yet been known to the public. And as coders ARE the heart of vbulletin.org on the long run, it is the best to make their stay here as positive as possible, and so we made it a private forum, and as i can say from my own point of view: Regarding to the threads in that forum now, it was the best descission we could make, and we won't change it.

nice clarification... thanks Xenon .

[Quillz]

Okay.

[Brandon Sheley]

I'm not thrilled that I can't see what your talking about, but I do understand..

hope the Sr coders are able to share the knowledge with the younger coders and produce more product for me to try

[Paul M]

You really should change the description for it .....

All users can read but you must join the coders usergroup to post. Need help? click here!

[kall]

Originally Posted by ZIKI-SET

I did as you said and still cannot see it

That's probably because you are not a coder.

On-topic: I agree with the decision to make it non-public. I couldn't understand why it was public in the first place. Went in, took a look at the number of non-coder posts and didn't stick my head in again.

[tgreer]

Hmm. I'm definitely a professional coder. I've made my living programming and teaching others to program, for decades. I wrote the printing industry's first complete eCommerce platform... I've been doing web development since there was a web - in fact I was a Compuserve Sysop prior to the 'Net. In terms of PHP and vBulletin, I've coded my own complete plugins, as well as re-written and fixed a few that I've found here. However, because I choose not to release my code to the community, with all of the attendant support problems that would entail, I'm not considered a "coder", and so cannot benefit from discussion with other vBulletin/PHP programmers?

That being the case, I hardly understand the raison d'etre of vbulletin.org!

The problems you describe can be fixed with proper forum moderation... the decision to hide the primary resource/reason for the forum, from forum members such as myself, based on an arbitrary classification, is not the right way to handle the situation.

Thomas D. Greer
www.tgreer.com
Professional Coder, Consultant, Trainer

[amykhar]

Thomas, I have to disagree. Coding ability really has nothing to do with the equation in my book. It's a reward for those who take the time to contribute to the site. If you aren't going to share your work, why should you be entitled to benefit from mine?