HotM December

[kewl1uk]

Originally Posted by Chris M

Ok guys - Take a few deep breaths, go get a stress ball and think before you make wild accusations...

I'll repeat what I have said earlier so you can understand this:

This hack was removed to make it fair for everyone who has ever been subject to this rule, and as a reminder against doing it to those thinking of doing so in the future

This has nothing to do with any personal or professional agendas...

Chris

But there was no such rule! Ok you're not going to put it right, period!

[Chris M]

Yes there is such a rule, otherwise tamarian's hack would still be in the HOTM poll it got removed from for doing a very similar thing...

However, I can argue with you until I'm blue in the face, and you with I...

You are not going to change your view evidently, and nor am I going to change mine - Let's just agree to disagree...

Chris

[tamarian]

Originally Posted by Chris M

Regardless of everyone's personal feelings here about how "wrong" it is, a hack of tamarian's a few months ago was removed for breaking this rule, and now, to be fair to those previously denied HOTM enrolement, the same must be done to Mr Zeropage, and any future rule breakers...

Not the same situation as mine was not even nominated, but I really don't mind. It was unfair then, and still unfair now, until some rules are listed, instead of being selective as to which rules to apply, and to whom.

Nominations and winning are not a big deal, but since it's there, it's best to have some rules that apply to everyone equally.

[kewl1uk]

Originally Posted by Chris M

Yes there is such a rule, otherwise tamarian's hack would still be in the HOTM poll it got removed from for doing a very similar thing...

The "rule" only existed in the "Staff" minds and was not written down so no-one knew about it. Possibly tamarian has a justified gripe to pursue.

Originally Posted by Chris M

You are not going to change your view evidently, and nor am I going to change mine - Let's just agree to disagree...

I'm not going to change my view because I know what is right and what is wrong. And removing ibProArcade from this poll when it was an almost certain winner is most definitely wrong. But you're "Staff" and I'm not and so you can do what you like and I can't. But your credibility is lost and mine isn't. Bye bye.

[Chris M]

Originally Posted by tamarian

Not the same situation as mine was not even nominated, but I really don't mind. It was unfair then, and still unfair now, until some rules are listed, instead of being selective as to which rules to apply, and to whom.

Nominations and winning are not a big deal, but since it's there, it's best to have some rules that apply to everyone equally.

Well regardless, what is fair is having one stance for everyone, and that is exactly what he have had...

We're going to rectify the situation for any future discrepancies by making sure the rules pretty much cannot be missed...

Chris

[Brad]

Originally Posted by kewl1uk

The "rule" only existed in the "Staff" minds and was not written down so no-one knew about it. Possibly tamarian has a justified gripe to pursue.



I'm not going to change my view because I know what is right and what is wrong. And removing ibProArcade from this poll when it was an almost certain winner is most definitely wrong. But you're "Staff" and I'm not and so you can do what you like and I can't. But your credibility is lost and mine isn't. Bye bye.

This rule has been applied to everyone that has been reported for doing such things. Once again we don't pick on certain members just because we feel like it. You are free to throw that around all you want, but it doesn't make it true.

If the author wanted (and if he still wants to) he can contact me via private message and I will attempt to get this solved in private. The only reason I've even posted in public on the topic is the fact that this is getting out of control.

If you'd prefer to go above me, then Wayne is the man to talk to.

[tamarian]

Originally Posted by Chris M

We're going to rectify the situation for any future discrepancies by making sure the rules pretty much cannot be missed...

I think that should do it. Sort of like the BotM template, either listing the rules or linking to them.

Telling members to click install if they ask for support should be fine, IMHO. But if it isn't, then a simple and clear statemnt in the rules should help.

[TyleR]

Originally Posted by kewl1uk

And removing ibProArcade from this poll when it was an almost certain winner is most definitely wrong.

20 votes ahead, and about 26 days left in the poll makes it a certain winner? Lol..

[MrZeropage]

Please, everybody - stop talking about it, Chris and the Staff made their decision, and we have to accept it. There is no way to change that.

Only thing I personally put critics on is that:

nobody took the time to write it up for public viewing evidently - I believed it was somewhere but upon further investigation it turns out that if there was, it has since been removed...

and the first response about those 17 PM was a PM I got from Erwin telling

Originally Posted by Erwin

Just letting you know that sending PMs to members to get them to vote is considered "spam". So please don't do it again.

Thanks for understanding.

There was no taste of breaking any HotM-Rule or something like that, the matter just was "Spam".

I myself answered this and explained that it was no Spam as I only sent this information to those 17 people from "my Team"...




But anyway, that's the way life goes, and so we all have to accept.



Congratulations to John and v3arcade



@Brad:
I will PM you to clear everything out, no problem

[kewl1uk]

Originally Posted by TyleR

20 votes ahead, and about 26 days left in the poll makes it a certain winner? Lol..

Well, who knows? Since ibProArcade has been removed from this poll we'll never know who the real winner would have been. As it is, V3Arcade looks to be the winner albeit it due to not-very-divine intervention.

[simon.]

V3Arcade is to win! YAY!

[Oblivion Knight]

Originally Posted by Jenta

It's a sad sad day when a hack that requires you to pay $60 to get real support wins HOTM. That should be a bigger issue than 17 pms.

ROFL!

Hardly, admitedly support for v3arcade right now is pretty bad. Premium or not.

[MrZeropage]

Well, in fact there is better/any support for those who paid:

Originally Posted by Oblivion Knight

If you're a branding free user, a beta of 1.0.2.1 is now available.

This is primarily a bugfix for those having problems with initial installation, but also includes a couple of other fixes and "stuff".

(Source of this quote)





Anyway, this thread should go back to a HotM-Voting-Thread without discussions ...

[KimmiKat]

Ditto. My co-admin is switching them over to ibProArcade.

Originally Posted by princessfrozen

[high]* princessfrozen would have voted for ibProArcade
[/high]

[kewl1uk]

Originally Posted by MrZeropage

Well, in fact there is better/any support for those who paidSource of this quote)

Isn't that post in the V3Arcade thread flouting the board rules:

2) Paid hack, scripts or commercial addons can be discussed in vbulletin.org without being promoted. However, authors of the commercial hack or addon cannot start threads discussing their own products or promote it in anyway in vb.org posts. If a commercial hack discussion thread turns into a promotional thread, it will be closed or deleted. If authors are found using another account or encouraging a friend account to circumvent this rule, all accounts involved will be banned.

I wonder what would happen if any other hack author tried to charge $60 for a new bug fixed version of their hack? Anyway, back to the HotM for December. I wonder which hack will win?