Obama to close Guantanamo Bay

[Digital Jedi]

Originally Posted by Shelley_c

As simple as that? Put them infront of a jury and this enforces the minds of the public. What are we really talking about here. Enforcing laws with kid gloves to make us feel better about our selves. An eye for eye. Do you think for a moment they would show you that luxury? You would be live on some broken down tv station with a bag over your head Waiting execution whilst your loved ones are at home.

Oh yes, But we have our principles, our beliefs. This is the point I'm trying to make. Until it happens to one of your loved ones you have that luxury in standing by your principles. I wonder if the families of the victims think this way of the terrorist attacks.

Shelly, why do you assume that just because we believe that everyone is entitled to a fair trial, the none of us have ever been the victim of some terrible event--or terrorism? Why do you assume that just because someone is a victim, then they must be out for blood at all costs? That's a terribly faulty presumption. You've stereotyped living victims of 9-11/Iraq War as revenge taking, blood thirsty, eye-for-an-eye ... well, terrorists. And I don't think they would appreciate that one bit.

Either way, Release or detained they live in luxury, probably better living conditions than most americans. That has to be a kick in the teeth in itself.

Luxury? Well now, I've lived in some low rent places, but...

Originally Posted by smacklan

30 years or more we have been turning a blind eye to radical Islam thinking we can "negotiate", thinking we can "bring them into the civilized rule of law", thinking "it's probably our fault they hate us so" and blah, blah, blah. Where has it gotten us? I'll tell you where. Beruit in all of the 1980's, Lockerbie, Rijhad, WTC attack #1, USS Cole, Kenya embassy bombings, 9-11, UK tunnel bombings, Spain tunnel bombings, Mumbai...and the next is just around the corner. Iran will be permitted to obtain nuclear weapons and that will be the beginning of the end. Israel will have to strike because if they don't they will be a certain target as have they been since the day after they declared their independence in 1948. It really is sad to see the world lose the guts to say, evil is evil and must be destroyed because the risks we face from it totally eclipse any temporary discomfort we might face with putting our "ideals" aside while we deal with it.

So what's your solution? Is your solution is to just kill them all and let God sort 'em out. You know, nothing is ever worth the risk of putting aside that which makes us what we are. You put aside your ideals, and you become the evil that you seek to destroy.

Originally Posted by GSeybold

Well he did it. He issued an executive order today. Humm... the outcome remains to be seen. I'm not an Obama supporter, Democrat or a Republican but for some strange reason, and I'm really not sure why, I have a very uneasy unsafe feeling. It's scary for my country and my safety to be in the hands of someone so inexperienced, similar to JFK and the Cuba missile crisis which by the way, was the closest we've ever come to a Nuclear attack. Well at least as far as the public knows about.

Let's hope closing Guat Bay was the right choice.

Gabby

We didn't really have a choice. Keeping the Bay open was going to be far more damaging in the long run then actually finishing what Bush started.

[smacklan]

Originally Posted by Digital Jedi

Luxury? Well now, I've lived in some low rent places, but...

pfft...I work for my local county government and spend lots of time in our jails here...that is no worse than the Juvenile Detention facility we have although a little older looking. Prison is not meant to be a luxury hotel and they do not house your average "misunderstood" citizens.

Originally Posted by Digital Jedi

We didn't really have a choice. Keeping the Bay open was going to be far more damaging in the long run then actually finishing what Bush started.

Ask and you shall receive:

An Internet posting purportedly by Al Qaeda in Yemen says a Saudi national released from Guantanamo in 2008 is now the group's second in command.

The militant, Said Ali al-Shihri, is suspected of being involved in a deadly bombing of the United States Embassy in Yemen's capital, Sana, in September. He was released to Saudi Arabia in 2007 and passed through a Saudi rehabilitation program for former jihadists before resurfacing with Al Qaeda in Yemen, the New York Times reported Friday.
A congresswoman says the reports should not slow the Obama administration's determination to quickly close the Guantanamo facility.
Rep. Jane Harman, a Democrat from California, said that President Obama has to "proceed extremely carefully" in closing the prison.
But she says there is no justification for "disappearing people" in a place outside the reach of U.S. law.
The posting by the Yemeni group — known as "Al Qaeda in Arabian Peninsula" — surfaced on Wednesday on jihadi Web sites that regularly carry Al Qaeda messages.
Al-Shihri says his prisoner number in Guantanamo was 372.
The statement says al-Shihri attended a meeting of Al Qaeda commanders in Yemen during which the top leader gave an interview to a local journalist.
"The lesson here is, whoever receives former Guant?namo detainees needs to keep a close eye on them," an American official told the Times.

Source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,481849,00.html

[iogames]

Originally Posted by GSeybold

Well he did it. He issued an executive order today. Humm... the outcome remains to be seen. I'm not an Obama supporter, Democrat or a Republican but for some strange reason, and I'm really not sure why, I have a very uneasy unsafe feeling. It's scary for my country and my safety to be in the hands of someone so inexperienced, similar to JFK and the Cuba missile crisis which by the way, was the closest we've ever come to a Nuclear attack. Well at least as far as the public knows about.

Let's hope closing Guat Bay was the right choice.

Gabby

Originally Posted by Digital Jedi

We didn't really have a choice. Keeping the Bay open was going to be far more damaging in the long run then actually finishing what Bush started.

On this one you're wrong Mark... When a woman have an unsafe feeling they are experts, I prefer that over an idealist guy...

Second, why Obama have to wash his hands? let's open Gitmo to the public, let's send envoys [like to Iran or North Korea] let them have public attorneys, and no hide what was done there... anyway, when the prisoners are release they gonna say what was going on in there... so Obama's decision is not the smartest one, is one in many solutions... Kapput!

p.s. He's an expert knitting nice words, so he can say: 'Let's get rid of the paranoia and serve justice'

[KevinL]

There are some posts in this thread that are just pure sad and rather ignorant....and I'm not talking about DJ or the Geek...

[The Geek]

Originally Posted by smacklan

Ask and you shall receive:

Source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,481849,00.html

And here is another Fox news story:

"The United States knows that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. The U.K. knows Iraq has weapons of mass weapons of destruction ... any country on the face of the earth that has an active intelligence program knows Iraq has weapons of mass destruction," Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld told reporters in a Tuesday briefing.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,72053,00.html

(Speculation && Sensationalism) != (Truth and Justice).

I am not saying that there are all were innocent. However by our own laws, people are innocent until proven guilty. We morally oppose dictators that throw people in jail because they can so it is hypocritical of us to do the same.

[iogames]

I will send another commander, a 'Human Rights' envoy, attorneys, but not close Gitmo...

@ KevinL so by calling ppl ignorant, that makes your comment: intolerant

[smacklan]

Originally Posted by The Geek

And here is another Fox news story:



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,72053,00.html

(Speculation && Sensationalism) != (Truth and Justice).

So, are you saying the source make the story invalid? The one I quoted is taken from the AP and has no speculation in it so your point is?

[The Geek]

I am saying that internet postings purportedly made by somebody claiming something is called speculation. It could be right, it could be wrong and even if it is right its no justification for creating a prison to detain people without trail any more than it would be ok to throw you in prison without trial because you could one day harm someone else.

Again, I haven't said that every single person in the camp is innocent. I am sure there are plenty there that should be. Just like there are plenty of people right now surfing the web and walking the street that should be in prison. Woe is the day that someone decides without cause or due process that you too should be in prison just because they are scared of you.

[iogames]

ROFL:

'CNN Today: Freed prisoners from Guantanamo plan to sue the U.S. Government'

p.s. Even Digital Jedi didn't see that coming

[The Geek]

Originally Posted by iogames

ROFL:



p.s. Even Digital Jedi didn't see that coming

hehe, if I was detained without due process you bet your ass I would sue the pants off them. Havent some of these guys been in there for years?