Why are vb.org's mods getting ripped/redistributed?

hum, Shelley, i would say as a mirror, that your word is not gold either... you just point at me, but i'm not pointing at anybody on my side... and basically, my opinion worth what it worth, i'm not telling that i'm the reincarnation of a god here...

i had a deal, maybe... that does not mean nobody would steal my stuff... actually they did last week, 20 minutes after i released iTrader, a guy there copied it to their site... does that mean i had a deal?!... nope.. that just mean that what he have done was not worthing a panic.

you can not be happy with someone steal your work. i mean, nobody can be happy... does that mean you have to focus 24/7 on piracy?... jut close the shop and there will be no more. do your job, do it well, and the people that worth focussing on, your real clients, will be there to pay for your efforts and worth. there will always be pirates, there will always have someone stealing others ideas... just think, China sent some guys in space 2 months ago, just because they wanted to. they are now heros in their country... 40 years after the USA... does that mean the USA have to bail them for the ideas the chinese stole for the trip?

i personally don't care if the guys there steal my work and have donations for the scripts... even if they rename the files, drop the credits, etc... because the one who download the results are unable to give a penny for the job, they would not pay me more if they come to my site, because they would not pay for it.

it's an american way of thinking to focus on profits. i personally prefer to be paid for the respect and great exchanges between the client and the coder... i hate dirty money, so having credits where the things are pirated is not interesting for me... they can drop my names, its even better for my reputation.

you don't see things the way i see them, that does not mean my way is wrong.

[Brandon Sheley]

this happens all over the place
even paid mods with small memberships
I don't think there is anything the Org can/will be able to do about it

Just share your work with everyone, include a readme file with links to your site and info installing, and just maybe, a few of those pirates will turn into good members and visit your site.

[pein87]

They're only disableing the the customer authen code and anything that requires its info to work and removing the linkbacks and data thats sent to vbulltein.com's databses. If vbulletin really wonts to stop pirating make software that depends on authen so pirates wold literally need to re-code the entire software itself just so it will work or create an auto locking mech that checks for hidden codes to see it there there using preg_match(); or something aong those lines and if it returns false it closes the site down by removing the database. That simple nullers shouldnt be allowed access to stuff us members pay for. Who cares if they lose there database and member info, certainly not me I know someone from a site I joined who posts nulls to some sites and hes a member here. I dont konw his username on here or the nuller site(or the site he does it on) but one of the guys I work with has posted my templated edits on one of those site. I feel that vbulletin security needs to get beefy if vb is to survive the nullers. There even nulling dreamweaver and adobe isnt doing anything I payed 200 dollars with student discount nullers need to be shutdown and fast.

actually you did not pay to access vb.org, you paid for the software you use, and though here, your license that you paid 160$ is not nulled by anybody, even cracked, it's all yours, nobody else can use it... that's the only security Jelsoft need to apply on what you are refering to.

for the Xth time, vb.org is a privilege, not a gain when you pay your software... you may loose that privilege, but you only have to behave properly and nothing will happen. it's a per-person basis management.

piracy?... i can count at least 50 nullifiers who release their own version of vBulletin 30 seconds after each release... if that's not one of them, someone else will do it, pathetically. vB is not costly enough, people can renew anytime, and they can share their gain anyway. look at Esvon, which is 650$ for the minimalist package... i'm not rating the script, but try to find it on the nulled market... hackers just don't want to purchase it just to leech.

[Shelley_c]

Originally Posted by nexialys

hum, Shelley, i would say as a mirror, that your word is not gold either... you just point at me, but i'm not pointing at anybody on my side... and basically, my opinion worth what it worth, i'm not telling that i'm the reincarnation of a god here...

i had a deal, maybe... that does not mean nobody would steal my stuff... actually they did last week, 20 minutes after i released iTrader, a guy there copied it to their site... does that mean i had a deal?!... nope.. that just mean that what he have done was not worthing a panic.

you can not be happy with someone steal your work. i mean, nobody can be happy... does that mean you have to focus 24/7 on piracy?... jut close the shop and there will be no more. do your job, do it well, and the people that worth focussing on, your real clients, will be there to pay for your efforts and worth. there will always be pirates, there will always have someone stealing others ideas... just think, China sent some guys in space 2 months ago, just because they wanted to. they are now heros in their country... 40 years after the USA... does that mean the USA have to bail them for the ideas the chinese stole for the trip?

i personally don't care if the guys there steal my work and have donations for the scripts... even if they rename the files, drop the credits, etc... because the one who download the results are unable to give a penny for the job, they would not pay me more if they come to my site, because they would not pay for it.

it's an american way of thinking to focus on profits. i personally prefer to be paid for the respect and great exchanges between the client and the coder... i hate dirty money, so having credits where the things are pirated is not interesting for me... they can drop my names, its even better for my reputation.

you don't see things the way i see them, that does not mean my way is wrong.

I'm not focusing on anything other than the facts. Your reply is vague (or would appear vague to people when you stated that a certain site isn't stealing if the work here is posted as a free piece of code/graphic. You stated it wasn't a problem, I stated it wasn't a problem for you because you dealt with them. And on occasions the community told you were to go, they were going to post your works regardless. I'm just opening the discussion behind your opinions on how this was deemed not important and to state another fact that they do make money from stealing peoples works. Content is valuable, and last time i checked they have just that tons of stolen content without the permission of the authors which in my books is stealing. You can distract from the facts or side track this thread and post additional jargon but they are stealing and making money off peoples works here.

I'm not questioning your motives or how you conduct your business, just simply simplifying the reasoning behind your comment prior to the post which I responded to which is not this post but the post prior to this post. hmmm yeah, bit of a tongue twister but you'll get your head around it. It's late and it's all work work work. And a little more helping of work.

And the comment about you not caring about them stealing your work. I'm sure that's not the case otherwise you wouldn't have dealt with the staff at this site you simply just gave up and deemed it a waste of time to pursue any action, I'm sure we care a little but trying to avoid this is merely a waste of time so I do agree with you on that which you knew. I'm sure there is a few white lies in that response but who am i to judge and I can't be bothered quoting each and everything you said because we both know that's just a sidetrack ploy.

People care, you simply don't. End of subject as far as I'm concerned.

[Xphusion]

i do care about is as i and a new vb designer on the vb scene and guess what they already tryin to rip my **** so im doing everything i can and just to help fellow designers out there...

I have an idea you can have your theme live on the site for view without having to fear of them being ripped....and i will tell you how ....and i plan on doing this myself.. What i have come up with is this when u design you or theme make 2 copies of it and 2 copies of the coded version as well.. one version will be a total leigt version in which your customer base gets and the one on the preview will have a transparent( but clearly readable ..watermark over the entire theme... that way u can still see the live preview in action but...if they try to rip it they will get a theme with water marks all over it..... so in a sense the ripping of the theme would be useless...

i think it will work but not 100% but i think that will crack down a bit on those idiots..maybe slow em down ...now if your a designer that does not know how to add this water mark contact me and i will be glad to make a short video tutorial on how to do this(but im sure if you can design a theme u should be abel to figure it out)

[Princeton]

alright, let's stop the you said-she said drama...
it's getting off-topic

thanks

the problem with your technique, Xphusion, is that the rippers usually don't bother with the watermarked images, 75% of a theme is without images, and most of the others are easily replicated. what the "kids" want most is usually the structure of your forum, they can handle the images, as you've done when you created yours...

everything that is "seen" on the net can be replicated, and if it's visual, nobody can really protect you, because lawyers now give the reason that you gave access to your site so the leechers could be inspired by it. the logic of copyright is not broken if they are just inspired (what lawyers say because they are lazy)... the respect is not part of copyright. i know a lot about this, my wife is teaching Arts, and they always have debates about what can be copy-protected and what not... if you inspire yourself from Van Gogh, you do not break it's art's copyright... even slightly inspired is not the original, and if you did not painted in the same technique as Van Gogh, not using the same colors or paint, this is not wrong, UNTIL you try to sell it and say it's a pure Van Gogh... on the other side, you would break the copyright if you leech his painting and apply your name instead of his...

ya know what, code, design, inspiration, everything is based on what you think is good or bad... when you purchase vBulletin, you do not pay for the code inside the files, you pay for the work the guys are putting to create the engine... because the code is PHP, free and copyprotected... so it's all up to you to evaluate the value of the work they put in... leechers give it no value at all, and that's where the stick tongue the most... i know at start that they do not respect me or anyother here, so why bother... i'm sure at 99% that their mothers do not know.

[Shelley_c]

Interesting last paragraph Nexy. Couldn't agree with you more. Where some people will give up and stop releasing My way of thinking is to release. I wouldn't say my work is valuable but then I wouldn't say it's any more worthless than anyone elses. An author will always or in most case put a high value on their work, they spent the time in creating it and it came down to their imagination, creativity and that's where I think you miss the point. When you create something you have created it from scratch, you've developed it with months sometimes years of your time to see it grow and evolve into something your proud of and whether you agree or not when someone comes along and makes a duplicate copy/ steals or decides to distribute it without your consent it's stealing no matter how much you sugar coat it.

With regards to re-creating images, watermarking them is not a deterrent or atleast not a good one. As stated, they can easily be re-created then implemented to the style. Is copying stealing? I'd still say yes, I know if someone copied any of my images i would know, I intentionally make graphical errors in my images so only i know and will know if someone purely copied it or stole it and used it as part of their style to distribute and sell off which they do and I regard this as stealing also.

Most people don't want to work nowadays, they don't want to put in the time into creating something that would benefit the community they want an easy solution to a way of either making money and/or receiving credit when in some cases credit shouldn't be applied to this group.

Hmmm Yeah. Rambling hour.

hey hey, i just said to my wife 5 minutes ago that i had to work for $$$ today, unavailable for painting the walls...

btw, Joe, it's a debate, not a drama...
[high]* nexialys will avoid Joe for the next hours![/high]