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Whilst I agree with the recent posts by Revan, I wish to throw in an additional aspect that has not been looked at in any detail in this thread.
There's a part in which us 'normal' members can play, and that is through making qualitative posts on modification threads - especially when asking for help. How many times have you seen somebody say that a coder's modification just doesn't work, yet doesn't explain the problem that they are facing? Surely this aggrovates the coder. With more members here at .org than there possibly has been in the past, this sort of thing is probably far more evidential than it was in the past. There is also another aspect, which I'm sure is trying to be avoided because of the type of debate that arises from it due to a lack of understanding, and that is through normal members giving a little back to the coders themselves through small donations here and there to those modifications that make our lives, as administrators of our own communities, so much easier! At vB.org we are a community, and that is something which we should not lose sight of. As such, we all have our parts to play (be it the Cheese Meister or the person who is required to erect Boofo's monument) and should not be naive to that fact and start blaming the staff here (who give up endless amounts of time - in addition to other commitments) for what can appear as a mass-exodus to those who know the coders who have left. Just to reilliterate, it is a loss to see some good coders leave and they are more than welcome back (as is anybody) here and maybe one day they will return. However, in the meantime, it is vital that as a community we work with what we have; "Treasure what you have, as you could lose it at any moment". (Boofo, don't tell me that brought a tear to your eye please ) |
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[high]* Boofo runs for the Kleenex like a wimped-out sissy![/high] |
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I knew absolutely zip about HTML, CSS, JS or PHP when I first started out. A trip down memory lane just confirms this: My 3rd post on the site My first modification Looking back now, I cringe. But there were people who helped me to learn then, so I help other people where I can. My PHP is still very limited, but I can create a product to include a custom template. What I'm trying to say (and not making a very good job of it ), is that if experienced vBulletin users (doesn't have to be coders for some things) help others out when they ask questions or get stuck, then in turn as they learn they will do the same. Some people might head into coding (PHP or HTML), some into skinning, but others will be happy realising that they have learned a little bit and can get by. The other thing is that it doesn't matter how experienced a user or coder you are, you can still make mistakes or not know the answer to something. I've made one yesterday which I hadn't even realised. The problem was easily solved, but it puzzled me why the person should be getting an error. In fact someone else pointed out why, which I appreciated. The whole idea of a community is to help each other, and sometimes things are not quick fixes, or someone can hash together a quick fix for something while a better permanent fix is sorted out. Some of the most common questions that come up are things that are set by vB Options and most vB Admins should be able to answer them questions. Admittedly, you might have to look something up, but everyone has to check things from time to time anyway, even the Jelsoft staff at vB.com get things wrongs sometimes so don't worry, if everyone just does their best then everyone will be able to help someone even if it is in the smallest way possible. (eeek it took me that long to get my wording and sentiment right - plus being disturbed by the phone - that the world and his wife has already posted!) |
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But on that "us and them" aspect, I don't think that the fact that there is an "us and them" aspect that's the problem. Humans are like that, I believe. We like to stick people in containers and label them. The problem is that we shouldn't double NY-lock shut the doors to anyone who wish to sniff around our container If that even made sense. And I am fully aware of the fact that the above sounds a bit hypocritical coming from me, given the fact that my post count in the PHP/XHTML/JS forum is pretty darn low, and I don't have any good excuses as to why that is so. Quote:
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Nah seriously, it's amazing how far we have gotten isn't it? |
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[high]* Revan gives Boofo a man-hug to keep up appearances[/high] |
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Dad: What do you want for tea? Me: if chips then chicken else lasagne Dad: You what????? I love diging out some of my really early stuff and laughing at it. Maybe one day I'll be able to stop laughing long enough to see about making it work with 3.6 (I won't get it done before then, I can promise that) and making the code all pretty like I do these days. |
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