sup with the attitude we get from staff here?

[sabret00the]

the above rather touching moderator love moment was sponsored by vBulletin in association with PHP and MySQL and also Dark Project Studios

:love:

[noppid]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Well then clearly we have different views on what "active" is. Would you consider me active if i had not posted since March ? I don't dispute he may have a behind the scenes roll here, but I think moderators should be visible to those they moderate, i.e. activly posting on the site.

I see members quality of membership quantified in participation often here. However, most times, I have no idea what that assessment is based on.

How many hacks do I have to publish for each available vB version to be considered an active contributor?

How many hacks do I have to port to the new version of vB to be considered an active contributor when other hackers leave the community and no longer offer support for broken code?

How many hacks do I have to help new members fix when they do a release and can't fix their own bugs to be considered an active contributor?

How many times after I install a hack, read the code, find a better way to do something, then share it with the author to the entire communities benefit to be considered an active contributor?

How many general vB questions do I have to field to be considered an active contributor?

How many confirmed bugs do I have to report to be considered an active contributor?

Let's find out who we are as members and maybe knowing that we would be less likely to clash with moderators and accuse them of favoritism. A point system would be absolute. Opinions are too subjective.

These guys must be tired of being picked on!

Coming soon...

Quantifing "Commercial"

[trackpads]

Originally Posted by GoTTi

whats up with zach's reply...

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=102030

there is so many posts like this from staff. very rude. this is like a constant thing. just asking a question, and we get a snappy reply and thread gets closed like we cant say anything more on the subject.

aint got nothing positive to say why bother saying it? i just asked a simple question, no need for rude comments, and then close the thread so we cant even reply to the rude comment.

I think sometimes people get frustrated, they are human and should be allowed. I dont think I have ever had a mod or staff member act rudely towards me. And god knows I probably have deserved it a few times

[amykhar]

It's not enough to be an active contributor in a community to be a moderator. I'm sure your forums have some people you would much rather be LESS active that would dearly love a moderator position on your site - but there's no way in Hades you would want them in that spot.

I think the moderating staff that is here now is a decent size. Things receive attention promptly. And, I think Erwin and Stefan genuinely care about the needs of this community and have the users' best interests at heart.

And, I know that they are willing to listen when y'all have genuine concerns, as is Wayne.

Amy

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Originally Posted by sabret00the

at invisible moderators. people always forget that moderate can mean '+' it doesn't always have to mean '-'.

Where in my post i am saying that moderating means only '-'??

Moderating means make sure the community is going according to the rules set, and where possible things run as smooth as possible. Sometimes you do that with some silent diplomacy, sometimes in public.

PS Try looking up what 'moderating' means:

v. mod?er?at?ed, mod?er?at?ing, mod?er?ates (md-rt)
v. tr.
To lessen the violence, severity, or extremeness of.
To preside over: She was chosen to moderate the convention.

v. intr.
To become less violent, severe, or extreme; abate.
To act as a moderator.

Not sure if we always succeed on all those points, but be sure that we are trying.

[noppid]

Originally Posted by amykhar

It's not enough to be an active contributor in a community to be a moderator. I'm sure your forums have some people you would much rather be LESS active that would dearly love a moderator position on your site - but there's no way in Hades you would want them in that spot.

I think the moderating staff that is here now is a decent size. Things receive attention promptly. And, I think Erwin and Stefan genuinely care about the needs of this community and have the users' best interests at heart.

And, I know that they are willing to listen when y'all have genuine concerns, as is Wayne.

Amy

My post had nothing to do with becoming a moderator. It's a suggestion to quantify a members participation for moderators to stop the perception of favoritism.

I know it's an out there idea, but for now, there's no way to know where a member stands. It's purely opinion and that opinion varies from staff member to staff member some are pointing out.

I think it's why these type threads are started by a different members when others get closed. Everyone's perception is different. Without a finite way to qualify a member, we will get opinions. We all know how well a jury of opinion works. :/

I don't expect this to be implemented, I'm just putting it out there so the point is made. There is only opinion. When there is only opinion, clubs and inside gangs become possible. The members are warning that this is their perception. A good business would listen to it's customers and find a way to even the playing field.

I don't have the answer, but the question is very very clear.

[amykhar]

I am not sure selecting moderators by activity levels is enough to stop the whole perception of favoritisim. Rather, the key to resolve this issue is consistancy, which is always difficult when moderating controversial threads. The less active moderators don't cause a problem in general. It's the more active ones that get involved in the conversations and debates that sometimes struggle to determine when to shut down conversations and when not to.

That's why the fact that Xenon and Erwin aren't actively debating is actually a blessing. It gives them a bit of objectivity to be able to gently speak with a moderator when the moderator has lost some perspective. Erwin's daily presence here without posting a lot is a good thing. It means he's aware and yet not in the fray.

Amy

[noppid]

Those are very good points. There needs to be a voice of objectivity.

[Andreas]

Originally Posted by corriewf

The guy hardly leaves his room and to talk to him is like talking to a robot. He represents the extreme old school coders. I dont think anyone here is like that, but their are still certain aspects of that lifestyle that are present.

Believe it or not, I am almost 100% like that

[Boofo]

Originally Posted by Andreas

Believe it or not, I am almost 100% like that

Boy! You said a mouthful there!