Fair play and Business

[nhawk]

Originally Posted by DragonByte Tech

We always go out of our way to make our mods compatible with other peoples mods - we have an open offer to any coder who's work is incompatible with ours to grab a free pro license to check into it.

I agree the DBTech way might not always be the correct or best way, but it's the way that's allowed us to remain in business and successful where all of our competitors have failed, I put a lot of that down to our ability to make difficult or potentially unpopular decisions if we're forced to.

I was totally unaware of the offer for a pro license from you. I just might take you up on that offer for the post thanks mod that just doesn't play well with a current mod of mine. Or the other way around if you like.

Might I suggest that the Copyright Managment mod perform it's global_bootstrap_init_complete funtion later than 1. That way a coder could grab the options copyrighttext before the mod changes it. And then on any mod's pages the copyright text can be returned to it's default value.

[DragonByte Tech]

Originally Posted by nhawk

I was totally unaware of the offer for a pro license from you. I just might take you up on that offer for the post thanks mod that just doesn't play well with a current mod of mine. Or the other way around if you like.

Sure, hit Fillip up with a PM on DBTech (@Belazor) and he'll get you what you need. If you let him know what the issue is, he'll see if he can work out what's causing it as well.

Iain

[kh99]

This is kind of embarrassing because i really should think before I post, but: FWIW I think I have to go back a bit on what i said before. While I can understand that mod developers aren't happy to create a mod with custom pages and have someone else's links at the bottom, I can also see that adding to the standard footer isn't that unreasonable, and one could argue that another mod doesn't have to use that footer, or could modify the links if they wanted. So I don't know if I was right in saying that I thought dbtech should do something about it - I don't know what's right.

Also, I don't know about the "links only on pages that are affected" thing, because sometimes that's not really practical.

Maybe if someone can figure out a scheme people can agree on, someone could develop it and everyone could use it voluntarily.

Originally Posted by kapii

I don't care which customer you are, just cite your sources, where did you get a response from a third world country coder on their site?

If I recall it well it was just an Indian sounding name of one of your coders. I don't recall if it was post or pm. The other thing is poor code as I described before. That's all.
I don't claim anything so lets stop this subject. Maybe you're all 6 in-house the UK based coders. I can't know. OK?

Originally Posted by DragonByte Tech

Can you PM me some examples of that happening? Often feature requests will be marked as "under consideration" and then a decision will be made on them when the mod is being updated. We can't add every request to every mod, especially if it's very specific to one persons site, or will be a large amount of work that very few people are asking for/will use

There aren't dozens of coders at DBTech - at the moment there are 6. There have never been more than about 8 at once, and every one of them without exception has been from the UK (or ireland) or the US. Absolutely 0% of our code is outsourced, it is all done in-house by one of those coders.

Iain

Originally Posted by DragonByte Tech

I can't really check into what you're saying, then. I'm not sure what the issue is with us knowing who you are? =/

Anyway, I can't check into your claims without some details so for now i'll just have to say I have absolutely no knowledge of what you're claiming ever actually happening - you seem to have been under the mistaken impression we're also a company that outsources coding so you might have us mixed up with someone else


Fillip

I appreciate you want to help me(?) however, it really doesn't matter to me now because I'm no longer using your mod. I employed a coder to code a similar one for me with all the features I wanted. And I am not claiming anything I'm just expressing my opinion. We live in the free world and everyone has a right to it, am I right?
And no, I do not mistaken your company with someone else.

And to sum it all up I think it's cool what you do, it's cool that there is a company dedicated to create extensions for this excellent community platform, it would be much cooler though if you were doing it right.

[nhawk]

Originally Posted by DragonByte Tech

Sure, hit Fillip up with a PM on DBTech (@Belazor) and he'll get you what you need. If you let him know what the issue is, he'll see if he can work out what's causing it as well.

Iain

Will do!

I'm almost certain it was Fillip that used my dev server to do some testing of a DBTech vB5 mod for a *Nix problem way back before vB5 was released.

[DragonByte Tech]

Originally Posted by Etrack

If I recall it well it was just an Indian sounding name of one of your coders. I don't recall if it was post or pm. The other thing is poor code as I described before. That's all.
I don't claim anything so lets stop this subject. Maybe you're all 6 in-house the UK based coders. I can't know. OK?

Well the "poor code" thing is what i'm trying to get to the bottom of, that's why I would appreciate some links etc so I can check into it. That's not an accusation we tend to receive, you see.

For anyone who is interested and/or are as confused as I am about the apparent indian member of our team, our coders names (past and present) are: Fillip, Dylan, Chris, Matt, Brad, John, Jon and David.

I would be especially interested if you could forward me the PM from this Indian-named person claiming to be part of our team, it's something I would like to look into with some urgency for obvious reasons.

Originally Posted by DragonByte Tech

Well the "poor code" thing is what i'm trying to get to the bottom of, that's why I would appreciate some links etc so I can check into it. That's not an accusation we tend to receive, you see.

For anyone who is interested and/or are as confused as I am about the apparent indian member of our team, our coders names (past and present) are: Fillip, Dylan, Chris, Matt, Brad, John, Jon and David.

I would be especially interested if you could forward me the PM from this Indian-named person claiming to be part of our team, it's something I would like to look into with some urgency for obvious reasons.

Oh dear! I've already said I can't know for sure! So there is no accusation but speculation here. That is the difference.
I won't log now to your forum to forward it to you so you can snap my details because I feel nothing good would really came from this.

Speaking of "the code is poor" - this is an personal opinion, judgment after working with your code and editing the source. It was chaotic, it was heavily impacting the server performance it had some bugs and it was hard to do anything with it in the form it was. That is just my personal opinion about 2 of your mods (2 bigger ones) I've not really gone through the tons of the other mods you have there.

[Christos Teriakis]

@ALL
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There are no 1st level and 3nd level countries. There are just countries wher humans are living. Being someone in USA or in UK dosen't means that he is 1st level people, on the same way that being someone Greek doesn't means that he is wise or philosopher. I ve met great coders based in China as I also met great coders based in USA, in Canada in Germany. Country has nothing to do with the quality of the code.

Originally Posted by Christos Teriakis

@ALL
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There are no 1st level and 3nd level countries. There are just countries wher humans are living. Being someone in USA or in UK dosen't means that he is 1st level people, on the same way that being someone Greek doesn't means that he is wise or philosopher. I ve met great coders based in China as I also met great coders based in USA, in Canada in Germany. Country has nothing to do with the quality of the code.

Yup, I explained that above. Sure there can be found high quality coders in India too, and low quality coders can be found really anywhere. But I think everyone knows what I meant by this generalization. Perhaps I shouldn't use such statement and generalize. But when I think of low quality code and low quality IT services in general I see an army of Indian people in my mind. With no offense to Indian people. I knew a few really nice and smart Indians.

[Christos Teriakis]

Originally Posted by kh99

I can also see that adding to the standard footer isn't that unreasonable,

No problem... He wants to add it globaly. Let him add it. But SPECIFIC text and easily recognized. Not "Site is powered by vBullletin Mods & Addons by DBT" which means that every mod on that site is their work. And don't tell me anybody that there is the link "Details" at the end, because you know that nobody clicks the links. What it stays in memory is what the eye have seen.
So, specific text "Quizz by DBT, or Gallery by DBT". But never "Site is powered by DBT".