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Old 12-18-2010, 06:41 PM
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But again, he's likely not going to sue anyone with no income.
Just because you have a non-free forum and domain name is enough for them. Look at their past victims, some even consist of free Wordpress blogs with subdomains. Just because you have no income doesn't mean that they won't try to put you into debt for the next 10 years.

Remember, you're not dealing with people here, you're dealing with scum.

Example of some aforementioned blogs:
http://righthavenvictims.blogspot.com/
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Old 12-18-2010, 07:08 PM
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Everything about RightHaven defies logic. That's why I brought up the money is one thing, he's also trying to "Send a message" too... so if that means brining you to court and you losing because you can't defend yourself and you getting stuck with a $75,000 judgement against you that you need to declare bankruptcy he'll take that. He is a lawyer himself so it's not like he needs to pay people to file these suits and such.
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Old 12-18-2010, 07:50 PM
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Everything about RightHaven defies logic. That's why I brought up the money is one thing, he's also trying to "Send a message" too... so if that means brining you to court and you losing because you can't defend yourself and you getting stuck with a $75,000 judgement against you that you need to declare bankruptcy he'll take that. He is a lawyer himself so it's not like he needs to pay people to file these suits and such.
He'd have a very hard time coming after me as I get VA Disability and even the tax man can't touch it so I don't see how he would be able to.
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Old 12-18-2010, 08:26 PM
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Right, if he's just mean spirited, then he can try and do whatever he wants. If the whole point of this is to make people miserable, then I'm sure he'll try and go after whomever.

But I don't think that's the point. I think the point is making money. As much as he can as quickly as he can. He could, conceivably, go for any profit I make, one day. But case, by case, that's iffy. He might get something, he might not. His most profitable bets are going after websites turning a profit. Still classless. But more likely.
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Old 12-18-2010, 11:19 PM
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Everything about RightHaven defies logic. That's why I brought up the money is one thing, he's also trying to "Send a message" too... so if that means brining you to court and you losing because you can't defend yourself and you getting stuck with a $75,000 judgement against you that you need to declare bankruptcy he'll take that. He is a lawyer himself so it's not like he needs to pay people to file these suits and such.
Do you realize what you just said?

"$75,000 judgement against you that you need to declare bankruptcy he'll take that"

The problem with this statement is, if you file BK, he gets nothing, and I personally
have debt in excess of $100k but coming after me would not be cost effective.


This guy is using the legal system to his advantage, the problem is his
victims are not using the legal system to their advantage, some are giving up,
then again, maybe they should, but this company seems to be worth a lot
of money, and money means a lawsuit against him worth fighting.

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No, I wouldn't jump.

I guess I'm confused as to what that form will really do or prevent. Too much lawyer-speak for me.
From what I understand, you would register your domain with the US copyright so
it would make it easy for people to contact with DMCA notices, so the govt is
basicly saying your site will be protected if you register your site, and you must
be given fair notice and opportunity to remove content in violation before
the party could file a lawsuit against you/your site, and if you do not have this
US copyright protection, then you are fair game of at will lawsuits...he is
saying if those other sites would have paid this fee, then their outcomes would
have been much different as they would have had to notify them and give
them fair opportunity before they could file a lawsuit in other words those
websites he sued did not have us copyright protection.

copyright.gov appears to be legit.

1: only government can use *.gov domains
2: domain is PR9
3: domain has 1.2m+ backlinks

If this is a fraud domain, then he is doing a good job, and if
caught would spend a lifetime in jail taking money on the governments behalf.

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To be honest with you, this site truly deserves to be sued for fraud:

http://Gocopyright.com

I have found several complaints regarding this scam site.
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Old 12-19-2010, 02:00 AM
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there is a clause if you post a article and you put a link to where the article is originated then i heard there is nothing much he can do. but dam i am thinking of the terminology.

How he can get you is if you modify the story to try to make it your own then there is a problem.

I had done some research ways back and i even had a great link on the laws about copyright
literature . there are some rule also is you keep the name of the author .

I am going to look into this again . man i should of kept the information.

update do some searching under the "fair use" this is a gray matter but it could help you get out of trouble.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

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plus i think in order to sue you he has to prov lost of income and damages
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Old 12-19-2010, 02:22 AM
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there is a clause if you post a article and you put a link to where the article is originated then i heard there is nothing much he can do. but dam i am thinking of the terminology.

How he can get you is if you modify the story to try to make it your own then there is a problem.

I had done some research ways back and i even had a great link on the laws about copyright
literature . there are some rule also is you keep the name of the author .

I am going to look into this again . man i should of kept the information.

update do some searching under the "fair use" this is a gray matter but it could help you get out of trouble.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

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plus i think in order to sue you he has to prov lost of income and damages
It depends on what type of content it is...is the type of content that you need publicity,
and you need all the backlinks you can get? or is the type of content that could cause
a company to loose money because if it is all over the net, they may have a backlink,
but so what if it can be got on the net for free, which sorta makes the backlink
pointless and worthless if they are no longer can sell their content...

and I do not see offering a backlink being permission
to place anyones content online.

again, it depends on what type of content it is.

Is it money making content that you want to get out for backlinks...or is it
content for Mary Had a Little Lamb which can cause less sales if the content
is all over the internet...? Depends on the content, and if the copyright holder
wants the content online, so offering a backlink goes not grant permission,
unless you are going through RSS feeds, then of course they would want
their content out for exposure and such, but it would make since that some
do not want their content out so they can keep their hands around making money.
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Old 12-19-2010, 04:16 AM
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Do you realize what you just said?

"$75,000 judgement against you that you need to declare bankruptcy he'll take that"

The problem with this statement is, if you file BK, he gets nothing, and I personally
have debt in excess of $100k but coming after me would not be cost effective.
You are ignoring it's not JUST the money. He will be HAPPY to send a message and bankrupting some forum owners who didn't protect copyrights of articles he owns the rights to will be just fine for RightHaven even if it costs him a few hours time to file some paperwork and go before a judge.

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there is a clause if you post a article and you put a link to where the article is originated then i heard there is nothing much he can do. but dam i am thinking of the terminology.
This is completely incorrect. A link makes no legal difference... You might find some Copyright holders won't complain if you leave a link but it doesn't protect you in any way shape or form.
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How he can get you is if you modify the story to try to make it your own then there is a problem.

I had done some research ways back and i even had a great link on the laws about copyright
literature . there are some rule also is you keep the name of the author .
There are rules of etiquette where you'd keep the author's name but it is in no way any more legal to infringe copyrighted material with or without the author's name.

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I am going to look into this again . man i should of kept the information.

update do some searching under the "fair use" this is a gray matter but it could help you get out of trouble.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
Wikipedia is not going to defend you or aide in your defense in court.

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plus i think in order to sue you he has to prov lost of income and damages
Absolutely not true... You do not need to prove damages to file a copyright infringement claim.

LOOK... I'm not trying to sell anyone on this- I'm not going to debate whether RightHaven is right or wrong in what they are doing- I'm just telling you what they are doing and you can choose to listen or not. I'm not going to try and convince anyone else.

I was trying to enlighten people like mrt12345, I was like him too... I "always heard" or thought I knew the "facts" about copyright law but the last few months following RightHaven were a a GIANT wake up call- Everything you think you know about copyright law and the DMCA is wrong.

Every major website in the USA, and even many foreign sites, have Registered Agents. You can follow the link I gave... Amazon, EBay, CNN, Fox News, Craigslist, Internet Brands, vBulletin.com, vBulletin Solutions, AOL, Google, and Facebook are just some of the sites who have registered...

What do they all have in common? Teams of lawyers who know more about the law than I and probably you ever will.
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Old 12-19-2010, 04:36 AM
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I am not debating, to be honest, I would be on the end that has US copyright
protection, then not having it, and being sued, from anyone, or for whatever
copyright reasons they might claim to have or hold...

I noticed it says $105, but i do not understand the $30 block below
that...does that mean if you put anything on that line then it
will cost an extra $30?

10 years ago, their rates where like $20

The Govt's greed is showing over the years
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Old 12-19-2010, 02:10 PM
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Every major website in the USA, and even many foreign sites, have Registered Agents. You can follow the link I gave... Amazon, EBay, CNN, Fox News, Craigslist, Internet Brands, vBulletin.com, vBulletin Solutions, AOL, Google, and Facebook are just some of the sites who have registered...
The Registered Agent also serves DMCA notices. Should a forum receive a takedown notice claiming CNN copyright, the forum owner can check the Registered Agent filing on Copyright.gov to verify that it is a legitimate takedown notice.

If your website generates unique content, registering an agent shows that you intend to protect your work. Should you ever file a DMCA takedown against another website, the other website doesn't comply, and you push it to court, then the judge would look more favorably toward the party that followed DMCA procedure.

That's the whole point of a Registered Agent -- all copyright issues regarding that site go through that agent, no matter if the issue is "CNN stole from you" or "you stole from CNN".
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