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If you're read my some of my other threads you've seen that I thought people like amy and paul (from what I can tell their hacks are some of the most used) could polish the way they speak to members sometimes (same with zachery and chris.. if zachery is the same one at vbadvanced). Just read the words that I'm writing without adding your own meaning and history here to them. I'm trying to be objective.. as you can tell I'm no coder and I'm not a moderator, I get no benefit for spending time in this part of the forums. And that cycle (coders leave, members learn code and replace them) isn't really as global as you make it sound.. how many members, who don't know a thing about code, actually go on to become coders and release hacks here? (yes, I'm aware that there's a few, my point is that 90/95% or more don't) |
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I Don't care about the respect of acknowledgment, myself, as I am old enough to know that coding ability has very little to do with that in the real world. That and that fact that I suck at coding. So, I am not adding any more meaning to your words than what I read into them, like anyone will read. |
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I currently know only a small amount...I can read it and know what it does, but coming up with anything radically new is beyond me. My hat is off to everyone who releases something new that someone else finds useful. |
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Besides, I hear rumours that there's a designer forum available and hidden, but I have never in my life heard anyone whining about how everybody can't access this. Disclaimer: I dont know if it exists, I just heard it randomly mentioned in a post somewhere. Quote:
My first thread here was this, and even though that thread implies that I knew coding just because I had worked on the conversion, trust me it doesnt. I had hassled with the problem the thread was about for 3 months, and it was fixed by changing a complicated for() to a simple while(). Nobody with coding knowledge was able to help, as you can see per the thread. True, I fixed it on my own in such a short time that there wasn't much chance for people to reply, but still. My point? My point is that I have no problems with admitting that just two years ago I was PHP illiterate, my HTML/JS knowledge could make even Boofo laugh (and would probably make K-A cry ) and yet I am pro-giving coders/designers perks for contributing to the site. As for the ego argument, it is very true that some will take on a holier than thou attitude. But even if you strip away everything, make coders have the Member branch of titles, take away the private forum, everything, those people will still have said attitude. They will just ahve a harder time showing it off, which IMO is counter-productive as it hurts the coders that just wants to feel appreciated by the staff without walking around on clouds. If one would say that coders shouldnt need to feel appreciated because contributing to the community is its own reward and whatnot, then I call bs. As a coder of a Major Addon, I know first hand how demanding some users can be. And how many such users flock to your hacks. It's just nice to have something to fall back on, something to take your mind off the users that piss you off. Im not saying that coders should have to be sacrificed a firstborn to in order to be communicated with, Im just saying I can't see any severe con to giving them some extra benefits beyond a private forum and a title. After all, time and time again customers have said that they choose vB because of the hacks available to it, and until the day where vB codes everything under the sun and offers it as modules for the stock software, coders are needed. Yes coders will be replaced, eventually. Keyword eventually. If I were to take my RPG away today, do you honestly think that tomorrow someone would recode one from scratch and offer it here for free? No, and in the between time, the users would be on their own. Im just saying that if anything can be done to prevent coders/designers from leaving and it doesn't sound ludicrous (such as "give coders a free vB lic" does), I see no immediate reason why it can't be done. Just my NOK 0,0033 (rougly converted) Request: Unless I am mistaken, I avoided using sarcasm in this post. If you are going to reply, please try to do the same. Not only is sarcasm harder to detect in text, it doesn't promote a healthy, "cold" debate. Thank you for understanding. |
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By the way, there was no sarcasm anywhere in my post. I was serious about my monument. |
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