vB.org Union

[Ohiosweetheart]

Originally Posted by MJM

Ohiosweetheart
complaining about complaining makes me sad
Maybe add a couple smilies to cheer things up?

Personally I think it's great to see members here with the brains and guts to think things through.
Innovative thinking requires an open mind and a willingness to accept that many ideas are dead-end and down-right dumb.
Sometimes ideas can be presented and sound ridiculous, are put to the side, and some time later they become realized.

Ya gotta remember, every single one of us is travelling down uncharted roads, we'll make mistakes, and hopefully learn from others mistakes

Gotta go, but first ...

I'd like to extend a hearty kudos to everyone here who blazed the trails and showed what could be done with this awesome software.

You have certainly gained mine and thousands of others much deserved respect.
Couldn't have done it without you.

Thanks
Mark

thank you... but I stand by my statement

[Dean C]

Originally Posted by Bubble #5

So you're going to delete every post that you've ever made from here? That sounds like a lot of work, and more of a punishment to the 'user' than to vB.org. And what are you going to do if they do meet your demands, repost all of those posts? Yep, I can see vB buckling under that pressure real fast :bunny:

A large group of people removing their modifications would give the superiors (I use that word reluctantly) something to think about.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that more representation is needed, but until something realistic can be put down on paper, it's just a nice dream A 'vB coders union' would make more sense...

That's exactly what I'm talking about. The general user on this site really has no complaints, it's the people who share their work that do as has been made clear in the last few weeks. And I don't think the staff is in any position to liaison via one person to 50+ people who contribute, it should be entirely the other way around with one union trying to represent the coders to the few staff.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Dean C

A large group of people removing their modifications would give the superiors (I use that word reluctantly) something to think about.

Why? I'm sure more members would just add more content. I know there are several mods I have created that I could have posted but other people have already posted the same or very similar mods.

Originally Posted by Dean C

That's exactly what I'm talking about. The general user on this site really has no complaints, it's the people who share their work that do as has been made clear in the last few weeks. And I don't think the staff is in any position to liaison via one person to 50+ people who contribute, it should be entirely the other way around with one union trying to represent the coders to the few staff.

Or what about - if you don't like this site send one PM with your constructive criticism and all your suggestions on how they can be resolved in a PM to an Admin and if they don't respond how you'd like set your own site up just as you want it to be?

I know I probably sound sarcastic but I am being quite serious.

[Bubble #5]

Originally Posted by Dean C

A large group of people removing their modifications would give the superiors something to think about.

Only in hindsight. It would hurt the members first, and then after a few months they wouldn't come here, and THAT is what would then hurt vB. You would need to organize before this had any real effect. First start a site where all the coders could post their mods once they removed them from here (hasn't this been done before?). Then the members won't get hurt as much, but how would you contact the members and let them know about the new site? But all of this only gives you some leverage. It doesn't make you a union per se. The coders have every right to organize and do what's in their best interest. Doing it in a fashion that won't turn the members against you is going to be the hardest step. These things take time.[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Darat

I'm sure more members would just add more content.

One or two average coders will not sustain this site. Not for very long anyway.

Or what about - if you don't like this site send one PM with your constructive criticism and all your suggestions on how they can be resolved in a PM to an Admin and if they don't respond how you'd like set your own site up just as you want it to be

I'm pretty sure that over the years this has already been attempted many times. They've been there, tried that and I don't think they want the T-shirt. Hence this thread :bunny:

[Dean C]

Originally Posted by Bubble #5

Only in hindsight. It would hurt the members first, and then after a few months they wouldn't come here, and THAT is what would then hurt vB. You would need to organize before this had any real effect. First start a site where all the coders could post their mods once they removed them from here (hasn't this been done before?). Then the members won't get hurt as much, but how would you contact the members and let them know about the new site? But all of this only gives you some leverage. It doesn't make you a union per se. The coders have every right to organize and do what's in their best interest. Doing it in a fashion that won't turn the members against you is going to be the hardest step. These things take time.

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You think that the coders here want to destroy this site? If it wasn't for this site I probably would have never ended up at university and I probably never would have learned how to program. I have a strong affinity for this site and I've earned a hell of a lot of money for a young man as a result of my earlier years here. I want what's best for vBulletin.org, but as it stands there has been a lot of unrest and the fire's have been put out by promoting those who were there starting them in the first place. Now I disagree with a lot of things on this site as it stands and I think people still do too. So that is why I proposed this idea of a union, where members could gather their ideas and propose them to staff instead of having these long, dull, monotonous threads of name-calling, only for a couple of the staff to come in and try and calm things down by mocking themselves.

There are serious issues here that need to be discussed in a diplomatic manner, and I honestly feel that having some form of representation as a whole would strongly benefit the members here who want to fight for change.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Bubble #5

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One or two average coders will not sustain this site. Not for very long anyway.

Why would it be one or two or only average? Since we are talking unions here market theory would say when that increasing demand will be met with increasing supply...

Originally Posted by Bubble #5

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I'm pretty sure that over the years this has already been attempted many times. They've been there, tried that and I don't think they want the T-shirt. Hence this thread :bunny:

So that's been tried and those sites didn't work, they failed? If so then it would indicate that their ideas about how the site should be run were wrong. Godd job then that vBulletin.org didn't listen to that advice!