"Coders discussion" forum is now a private forum.

If the Coder's Discussion forum was public it would just be a duplicate of the PHP/MYSQL/JS/XHTML forum and the General Modification Discussion forum. Honestly, there really isn't valuable resource that someone learning how to code would find useful. It's just Coders talking about their current projects and having a good time chatting with people who understand their frustrations and moments of joy in a coding view.

Those who want to learn and are having problems have the PHP/MYSQL/JS/XHTML forum.

My analogy of having the forum public:

It's like going to a book club and discussing a book amongst people who haven't read the book.



-Danny

[Gio~Logist]

Originally Posted by Danny.VBT

If the Coder's Discussion forum was public it would just be a duplicate of the PHP/MYSQL/JS/XHTML forum and the General Modification Discussion forum. There really isn't valuable resource that someone learning how to code would find useful, it's just Coder's talking about their projects and having a good time chatting with people who understand their frustrations and moments of joy in a coding view.

Those who want to learn and are having problems have the PHP/MYSQL/JS/XHTML forum.

My analogy of having the forum public:

It's like going to a book club and discussing a book amongst people who haven't read the book.



-Danny

Bingo.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Azhrialilu

Sorry, Darat but I just dont see why it's a big deal - there are enough forums on Vb.org to ask questions about vBulletin coding already.

The only people who seem to think it is a big deal in this discussion are those that are arguing for the forum to now to be totally exclusive. All I have said is that it is a shame that one potentially useful resource is no longer available. I certainly haven't said it is a big deal or given the impression that I think it is a big deal.

Originally Posted by Azhrialilu

I'm not a coder, so I don't have any vested interest in this forum, but I can see why they'd prefer to keep it quiet. Think about it, in public forum if one coder comes up with a new idea, 10 people instantly jump on them wanting to know when it'll be started, beta-tested, out for release... if they can discuss it in the relative quiet of a private forum, the chances are the idea will become a release faster.

I understand this and if you read my responses I have said I understand why, given the reason for the forum, they didn't want to allow everyone posting privileges.

Originally Posted by Azhrialilu

I mean - would you demand micosoft not allow any private forums on their own site regarding new ideas - so you can watch how they develop their software? Don't think they'd agree to that somehow. Look what happened when they released some of the earlier versions of windows (ME in particular) because of the pressure to get it out - the bugs in it were outrageous - would you want all hacks released under the same kind of pressure - obviously slightly dilluted - here?

I haven't demanded anything, and again I don't think your analogy, especially given how some of the coders here have described how that forum is being used) is really an appropriate one.

Originally Posted by LiveWire

Round n Round we go. I don't see this being open to non-coders now, so I wouldn't waste your time complaining. If you don't like the idea, go read some tutorials.

I haven't been complaining.

[bonjurkes]

Originally Posted by amykhar

The feedback we get from non-coders is useless in many cases. People click the install button two seconds after a mod is posted and tell us how wonderful it is. Excuse me, but did you even install it and run it first? I've had mods that had an installation script error get dozens of thank yous before anybody came along and said the install script doesn't work. Then, we get people who don't read what a mod is for and start asking totally off the wall questions. And, we get the people I mentioned above, who don't follow any directions - basic stuff like upload the files.

Are we the (members) only guilty one. All of the coders are perfect but members gives useless feedback?

I think you can remember, i installed inferno quiz and i uninstalled them bcs it is not a good idea for my board. I said thank you and few posts later i asked how to uninstall it bcs it left some parts behind of hack. (This is not only for that hack it was just an example)

And did i get a reply back?

NO!

You told me to uninstall all part of it. I already did, i am not dumb that much but i still didnt get a reply back from a coder.

That thing happened to me 4-5 hacks i installed (i mean not getting reply from the coder)

So you can right, maybe all of us not giving good feedback but hey think, how much of us can get a reply back from a coder when we give a good feedback?

I just want to ask it. You cant judge all of the members by judging only some part of the members.


I think being that forum is private for coders are good idea.But like others said we need tips too (members that try to code something)

[Lea Verou]

Hey something useful could come out of the staff forums too! Why not make them public? We could learn how to administer our forums better!

bonjurkes inferno quiz is not amykhar's hack. She owes you no answer. Judging by even that one can see how "useful" the members can be in such a forum.
Coders may not be perfect but at least they offer something to the community. What do members offer to justify the demands they have? Members come here, get, whine, annoy the coders even via IM and never give, although in some cases they have the ability to. At least be a little thankful

[bonjurkes]

Originally Posted by Michelle

Hey something useful could come out of the staff forums too! Why not make them public? We could learn how to administer our forums better!

bonjurkes inferno quiz is not amykhar's hack. She owes you no answer. Judging by even that one can see how "useful" the members can be in such a forum.
Coders may not be perfect but at least they offer something to the community. What do members offer to justify the demands they have? Members come here, get, whine, annoy the coders even via IM and never give, although in some cases they have the ability to. At least be a little thankful

michelle i know inferno is not Amy's hack and i know that she dont need to give answer for it too.I didnt say that to her.I told it to coder of the hack.

Most of members say thankyou and press install (i am sure pressing the install button is better than saying thank you)

I didnt get it. Amy says they only say thanx not give any feedback and you say it will be enough if they say thank you...

You mustnt think that all of the members must give back something.Most of us are giving feedback about hacks. I wont say anything if you call our feedbacks as whining :cross-eyed:

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Michelle

Hey something useful could come out of the staff forums too! Why not make them public? We could learn how to administer our forums better!

That would be relevant to the point I have raised if this was forum about how to better administrate forums. As it is this forum (as far as I understand it) is a way of vBulletin promotion by encouraging people to tinker with the core-product.

Originally Posted by Michelle

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Coders may not be perfect but at least they offer something to the community. What do members offer to justify the demands they have? Members come here, get, whine, annoy the coders even via IM and never give, although in some cases they have the ability to. At least be a little thankful

Without "non-coder" Members here what would be the point of releasing any hack or modification?

As for what do "non-coders" Members do (and I take from your post that non-coder Members are less welcome and lesser Members then "coders" is that right?) - well some of us at least do try to help when we can.

[Freesteyelz]

Umm...Please read my post (#42), Michelle.

Frankly, I think the people who contribute to the community deserve rewards/benefits; if one of them is in form of a private forum, cool. Let it be.

*Why I'm getting myself involved in a discussion (at 3:18am) that really is not important I haven't a clue. Sleep deprivation is real and an irritant.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Freesteyelz

Umm...Please read my post (#42), Michelle.

Frankly, I think the people who contribute to the community deserve rewards/benefits; if one of them is in form of a private forum, cool. Let it be.

*Why I'm getting myself involved in a discussion (at 3:18am) that really is not important I haven't a clue. Sleep deprivation is real and an irritant.

I'm confused - that section has now been made totally private as a reward? I didn't think that was the purpose of the section or the reason it has been totally closed to non-coders?

[Azhrialilu]

Of course, this whole argument could have been avoided if Xenon and the rest of vb.org had decided not to tell anyone about the forum in the first place and just sent a pm to the relevant usergroups. No one else would have known the forum existed and all this arguing back and forth would not have happened. But, they told everyone what they were going to do...... I wouldn't be surprised if they don't bother from this point on, nor would I blame them.