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Old 12-22-2005, 12:33 PM
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A "lack of staff response" would mostly be due to the fact that staff are either a.) asleep at the time you posted or b.) unable to comment due to the fact that it's Christmas...

As for a link to the HoTM rules, I believe there was one somewhere but I cannot find the link at this time; However it is a rule that people should be familiar with due to the removal of a few hacks this year for breaking the same rule...

And, regardless of this, there is also the main site rule, the relevant part bolded:
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1.3 No "Spamming": Please do not double post or cross-post the same message in multiple forums. You will not mass-PM or mass-email multiple members of this site the same message. You will not post for the sake of increasing your post count or hack count.
I count 17 people as being Mass-PM...

As for rumours of "vote transferring", thats rubbish...

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Old 12-22-2005, 12:47 PM
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And, regardless of this, there is also the main site rule, the relevant part bolded:
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1.3 No "Spamming": Please do not double post or cross-post the same message in multiple forums. You will not mass-PM or mass-email multiple members of this site the same message. You will not post for the sake of increasing your post count or hack count.
Then I should be warned/banned for doing that, but not remove my Hack from this poll

Anyway, this is somehow ridiculous, as stated before other Hacks got promoted via Email and nothing happened, so "due to the removal of a few hacks this year for breaking the same rule" seems not to work everytime.

I even have no chance, in some situations I have to PM the same text to multiple users, like I did when spreading the Link to a new Test-Version to all Beta-Testers during Develoment of ibProArcade ...


I am looking forward to get this answered:
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As for a link to the HoTM rules, I believe there was one somewhere but I cannot find the link at this time
as I believe there really is no such rule.


It was no spamming, no mass-PM or anything like that for getting any votes !
I even did and do more PMs when a new Beta-Version got released ect.



I think this decision is not good for community and not good for me either, I am not feeling well this way in this community and ready to grab my cases
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Old 12-22-2005, 01:01 PM
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What possible reasoning would the staff have to remove your hack if such a rule was not in place?

We don't have personal vendetta's here - We came to a decision between us, and I removed it, mostly because I have no mixed feelings over which arcade hack to use - I use neither, because I don't believe they are of any real use to me or any of my sites...

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Old 12-22-2005, 01:26 PM
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This whole episode is really bad for Vb.org

this is my suggestion.. I feel this is the best thing to do.. Why not reset the votes and let the voters re vote?

It was really very harsh on ibProarcade and zero page (although i love and prefer v3arcade)

I myself have received 2 or 3 mails from Googlemap hack owner to visit and vote.. Isnt that spamming?

Whatever happ is really sad
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Old 12-22-2005, 01:29 PM
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man just forget this hotm junk. u get nothing from it anyways, and we all know who is really winning and who will win so it doesnt matter.
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Old 12-22-2005, 02:47 PM
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Someone needs to have a muzzle put on him because blaming others for not knowing a rule that even he can't produce is assinine.

And sadly, typical.
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Old 12-22-2005, 03:12 PM
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What possible reasoning would the staff have to remove your hack if such a rule was not in place?

We don't have personal vendetta's here - We came to a decision between us, and I removed it, mostly because I have no mixed feelings over which arcade hack to use - I use neither, because I don't believe they are of any real use to me or any of my sites...

Chris
What you've posted is total BS until you produce this "rule", and prove it was in place at the start of this poll. Emotions such as your "mixed feelings" should not come into play - making such a decision based on emotions IS showing that you are biased... all future votes will be tainted if you do this.
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Old 12-22-2005, 03:17 PM
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its over with already. this month is dead. the hotm for dec is corrupted and there is no point in even continuing with this argument. they cant produce anything. no rules. no mumbo jumbo blablabla. v3arcade was getting beat out and thats that. i swithced my vote and never got a PM.

its all horse shizzit and shouldnt have happend. who cares if he asks people to vote for him on the hotm. if they use his hack why the hell shouldnt they vote for him?

grow up people.

dont get anything but a label on the hack for the hotm anyways so whats the big deal? no money..no advertising spots, no perks
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Old 12-22-2005, 03:27 PM
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I'm removing my one measly hack from here. I'll release it on another website.
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Old 12-22-2005, 03:36 PM
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why is Hotm of the month is so important to you people? ppl being grateful giving donation isnt that the real reward? come one lets just forget about it....and lets enjoy each other's work

how about that?
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Old 12-22-2005, 03:54 PM
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hehe - this brings back memories

HotM is important to coders here because it is the only type of reward they get. Getting nominated and having a chance to win is a a cool kudos that justifies a lot of the thankless hours of producing free work for others (lord knows the donations button is little more than a pretty image).

In the grand scheme of things - it really shouldn't matter, however it does matter to people and it should be treated as such.

In defense of Chris, I too remember rules in regards to spamming for votes. However saying that:
1- Yes, it should be posted in the first post of the HotM.
2- I think its a dumb rule anyway. Who cares if everyone gets a heads up about it? They can make up their own mind which is best. Its like running for president but not being able to tell anyone :P

Anyhooo. Its a shame another HotM gets screwed. Not just for the one that was removed - but also for the others still in the race. It kind of tarnishes any kind of win - justified or not.

Maybe adopting a BotM approach would be best: Have a month where people nominate HotM. I think doing it strictly on installs is a bit pants anyway.

Anyhooo. Condolences to whoever was removed from the post (been there man ) and condolences to those left in it. O, and condolences to the staff
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Old 12-22-2005, 04:05 PM
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Well, there ya go: Yet more bias towards V3Arcade at the expense of ibProArcade. Quite frankly, I'm not surprised it happened because I expected it to happen. Recent history on vb.org shows that it would happen. How can anyone possibly be surprised by it. Certainly not me! ibPro was beating V3Arcade and so ibProArcade was removed. V3Arcade win this poll. But morally ibPro has won hands down and this poll is not representative of the voting of vb.orgs membership!
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Old 12-22-2005, 04:13 PM
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Regardless of everyone's personal feelings here about how "wrong" it is, a hack of tamarian's a few months ago was removed for breaking this rule, and now, to be fair to those previously denied HOTM enrolement, the same must be done to Mr Zeropage, and any future rule breakers...

There is no conspiracy towards v3arcade - To my knowledge, John hasn't broken this rule...

Mr Zeropage, deliberately or not, has broken it...

You are free to report any misconduct by John if you feel it is spam, or against the rules...

Chris
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Old 12-22-2005, 04:21 PM
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Regardless of everyone's personal feelings here about how "wrong" it is, a hack of tamarian's a few months ago was removed for breaking this rule, and now, to be fair to those previously denied HOTM enrolement, the same must be done to Mr Zeropage, and any future rule breakers...

There is no conspiracy towards v3arcade - To my knowledge, John hasn't broken this rule...

Mr Zeropage, deliberately or not, has broken it...

You are free to report any misconduct by John if you feel it is spam, or against the rules...

Chris
Still leaves 200+ vb.org members who were not mass PMed who voted for ibProArcade whose votes were eliminated from this poll. As I said, this poll is not representative of the membership of vb.org!
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Old 12-22-2005, 04:29 PM
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Of course it is representative of vB.org - If those 200+ members who voted for ibPro wish to change their vote in this poll, they are free to PM me and give me an alternative to add a vote number for...

Just because it was removed does not mean it isn't representative; People who may have voted for tamarian's hack that was removed didn't moan about it to this extent and stop their virtual feet...

I can honestly tell you right now that if it wasJohn and the hack v3arcade that had broken the rules you would not be too displeased would you?

Again, this is nothing against Mr Zeropage or any kind of conspiracy - But what's the phrase? Ignorance is not an excuse? Just as others have found out before...

Chris
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