Who installed the hack.

[Andreas]

Originally Posted by tamarian

But you will need to seperate them if you are convinced about this priavacy issue, and still want to allow send update, without showing that person as someone who installed the hack.

Hmm ... no. If I click Install but never post in the Thread, nobody knows that I do have this Hack installed. So Updated Notifications and Security Warnings are the same basically.

You say you don't want to reveal the person as someone who installed a hack. Yet you display that information if they reply to the thread for support.

Right. But that's the users decision: If he posts in the Thread he is aware that others know he is using the Hack.

IMHO, it's not important to have a list of Users who are using a Hack.
On the other Hand I do understand why there is request for such a feature.

[tamarian]

Originally Posted by KirbyDE

Hmm ... no. If I click Install but never post in the Thread, nobody knows that I do have this Hack installed. So Updated Notifications and Security Warnings are the same basically.

Umm, no, it will show in the "who installed this hack". As stated a few times above, there will need to be alternative notification, if, as promised, that feature will be reinstated in the future.

The third notification is to help those who don't want to click install, don't want to subscribe to thread, yet still expect to get security updates. If that's what vb.org is worried about, a 3rd notification can address that concern.

Right. But that's the users decision: If he posts in the Thread he is aware that others know he is using the Hack.

Yes, it is, and it will put you, as the developer, in the position of supporting them by PM, or being "rude" and telling them they have to post to that thread to receive support.

Which gets us back to the extreme lengths we're going through, to protext a few members sense of false security. They have the right to be too cautious or paranoid, but they need to keep tabs on security updates. They have to do it for vB, Apache, PHP, their control panels etc., so why not keep tabs on vB hack updates.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Originally Posted by tamarian

Umm, no, it will show in the "who installed this hack". As stated a few times above, there will need to be alternative notification, if, as promised, that feature will be reinstated in the future.

There is no "who installed this hack", there have been no promise that it will be reinstated, nor is there a need for an alternative notification.

Originally Posted by tamarian

The third notification is to help those who don't want to click install, don't want to subscribe to thread, yet still expect to get security updates. If that's what vb.org is worried about, a 3rd notification can address that concern.

I doubt there will ever be a notification for those who don't click on installed.


And can we please get this discussion back to normal proportions (or better just stop):
- There is no need for a coder to see the names of those who have installed. It is just curiosity.
- Everything that is needed is already in place and working as designed.
- There won't be any non-urgent changes made to this site until vB3.5 Gold.

[tamarian]

Originally Posted by MarcoH64

There is no "who installed this hack", there have been no promise that it will be reinstated

Originally Posted by Colin F

Repeating myself, this won't be implemented until 3.5 and even then we have other features that will most likely have a higher priority.

nor is there a need for an alternative notification.

The is a need, if the reasons given were valid. If there are other reasons beside the ones stated, then maybe.

And can we please get this discussion back to normal proportions (or better just stop):

Not sure what that means.

- There is no need for a coder to see the names of those who have installed. It is just curiosity.

There's no need for most hacks here either. I can click on other dev's profiles, and see what hacks they wrote, because I'm curious, and enjoy this feature. But I don't need to see them.

- Everything that is needed is already in place and working as designed.

Our needs vary, that's we open feedback areas.

- There won't be any non-urgent changes made to this site until vB3.5 Gold.

No one said it's urgent, at least not me.

[Andreas]

Originally Posted by tamarian

Umm, no, it will show in the "who installed this hack".

There is no "Who Installed" Hack, and most likely will never be again.

if, as promised, that feature will be reinstated in the future.

AFAIK nobody promised that.

Now, could you please just accept our decision and stop arguing?
Thank you.

[sabret00the]

While you've all gone off on a tangent, i would like to show my support for a list (for hack authors) to show who's installed their hacks, i actually think it's an injustice that we can't see who's using our work, we put in the effort to release em so surely it's not much to ask to see who we're benefitting.

[tamarian]

Originally Posted by KirbyDE

Now, could you please just accept our decision and stop arguing?
Thank you.

No one so far stated it was a made decision. But now that you say it is, I will definitly accept it.

[Andreas]

Just for the records:

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?p=726679

Originally Posted by Xenon

I can understand both sides, i sometimes miss that feature myself, but as said, the disadvantages are bigger than the fun factor, so we won't add it again.

[tamarian]

Just for the record, the wasn't the only quote, nor the whole post, nor the only statement by vb.org staff on this matter.

I do accept the decision, just don't know which of the reasons stated is the real reason, if any. First was privacy, then security, then implementation.

You have to realise that it's best not to give a reason, than argue different reasons, if you have already made a decision, and aren't open to other views.


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O.k., I hope no one considers this further arguing I just thought this is a new option, that may remove some of the concerns.

If a member has a concerns about privacy and/or security, they do have a simple option. They can leave the home page field in their profile empty

This way, even if their username shows up as having installed a specific hack, no one knows their home page or forum, so the information would be useless, and does not present any concerns for privacy or security.

Me ducks

[Erwin]

Wow...

Put it this way, if a hack has a security exploit, and a bad person finds out, if there is a list, he can very easily go to each site and attempt to exploit the loophole.

Hence why there is no list, and why the old list which we had was removed. (Members didn't want to be on the list too - they contacted to be removed, but still wanted to get hack updates).

The hack author can still see who has installed his hack, but we assume the hack author is not a bad person.