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[DivisionByZero]

the mods still harass me, so i just got done deleting all my hacks. i give up.

[64North]

As an outsider, all I see is bruised ego.
If coders want to remove their hacks and start a community elsewhere, so be it, let them create a community where they can be the prima donna. There will always be more talented coders, and ORG will always be the first and foremost resource for vBulletin.

One can't please everyone all the time. It's great to make changes to advance this community, but there is simply no need to sweet talk every single coder. Every hack can and will eventually be made by someone else, every coder is replacable.

The whole "I will take my code and leave" attitude is, while at times understandable, logically flawed. You are not punishing the ORG moderators by removing your code, you are punishing the very people for whom you created your code in the first place.

ORG realized that there is a problem, perhaps that realization came too late for some, but it came nonetheless. Now ORG is working on fixing the problem best they can. If that is not enough for some, then by all means, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

The site will never be what it used to be years ago. Net culture has changed too much for that. Where in the beginning technically inclined folks frequented this site, it has now grown to a consumer oriented community. Jelsoft is in a large part to "blame" for that by saying "we don't support this, go to vBulletin.org if you want to get this one" on the vBulletin.com forum. Thus Jelsoft implied that the ORG people are the ones who will help someone out. While users can get help at ORG, it has also created a sense of entitlement among users, entitlement to receive support for every possibe question they may have here, and then those users get upset that there is no such entitlement.

One thing that would IMHO help to improve things is to advise Jelsoft staff on COM that if they send people over here, they make it clear in the thread on COM that ORG is a site run by volunteers, that one may or may not get support here, and that there is no entitlement to receive assistance.

I think a clear set of ORG community standards is also in order, something that explicitly states that no one is obligated to help someone else and that it is the users responsibility to do some very basic research on their own before posting "trivial" questions.

I am as non-PHP as it gets, and I did recently have a problem for which I created a post. vb 3.6.x - how to change welcome email sender? I received some feedback that while I did appreciate it didn't help me all that much, so I looked into it myself, and whle there may be a more elegant solution to my problem, I did come up with my own solution, and I posted it.

The coders vs. non-coders problem can only be solved if the non-coders understand that they are not entitled to support.

I hope that those coders who left, do return to ORG, even if they do not get their way all the time. It's imho counterproductive to see all these odd vB sites pop up, I LOL'ed so hard when I went to a vb site that proclaims itself to be a vb FAQ resource, and it is littered with Amazom.com affiliate ads for books that have nothing to do with vb, coding, or anything Internet at all.

How low could one sink to try and monetize from this ORG community issue, whoever runs that site should be ashamed (and ORG should remove all references to it from ORG).

Anyway, things got messed up, no doubt about that.
The mess-up was acknowledged, and damage control is underway. What more can one ask for? An apology? Perhaps there should be an apology from some to some, but please do realize that all of those involved in this drama are a tiny fraction of the ORG userbase, the rest of the users is merrily chugging along, and will do so till the end of time.

While it would be nice if everyone's opinion on everything mattered all the time, the fact of life is that it simply doesn't. If someone can't live with that their opinion is not all that important, then that person has likely bigger problems than any ORG issue could possibly be.

The best we can do is give our opinion, hope that it will be considered, and move on if it did not get the consideration we thought it deserved.

Well, that's my take on it anyway, and how much could it possibly matter since I am an ORG noob, eh?

[EasyTarget]

I thikn that's a good suggestion for .com. I think they do refer people to .org in a way which gives the results you mentioned.