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MrZeropage · #76 12-22-2005, 08:33 AM

so this got spread via eMail to (I guess) at least all the 90 people who clicked INSTALL on this Hack.

I just informed 17 people from my Test- and Development-Team and just gave the Link to the vote, saying nothing about what to vote for ect.

I would be ok to look for the votes and reduce those of the 17 votes which were done after my PM (most of them already voted before), but I still see no rule here about this HotM-Votes and also see others are doing much more promotion.
Just think of other ways like Messengers to spread the Link to a HotM-Voting ...

I ask to put back ibProArcade in the voting and I am sure there if you ask those who voted for ibPro they will agree and confirm that they got no single notice, PM or anything like that from me

LEAD_WEIGHT · #77 12-22-2005, 08:34 AM

This should have a thank-you, instead of posting in HOTM. As it seems to cause some bad feelings from some ppl.

Paul M · #78 12-22-2005, 08:42 AM

Removing it altogether seems a little harsh. Still, you may qualify again next month.

Rickie3 · #79 12-22-2005, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul M

you may qualify again next month.

what do you mean???it qualified this month it was in the original poll,it should not have been removed,no explanation nothing,this whole thread should be deleted, :speechless:

Scooterpig · #80 12-22-2005, 09:12 AM

I think the sad part about all of this so far is that there has been no explantion, comment or otherwise form any admin or mods from here about this, very disappointing..

rjordan · #81 12-22-2005, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LEAD_WEIGHT

Why not delete this post since it has nothing to do with support other than spamming for votes?
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showpost....&postcount=976

* edit *
Plus I do not see any rules on HOTM on pm's? If you have rules then use a sticky incase of confusion.

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthrea...461#post853461

Wow, LEAD, still going after me? All I did was take an example from the same post that is in ibProArcade's thread. Thus the "What's good for the goose" lead-in. I also noted that they should vote for that or "(or other modification)".

So is there an explaination for removing ibProArcade from the list? I cannot find anything regarding PMs either. Lack of staff response is disturbing. By all accounts, if it is against some rule somewhere, it is not posted predominantly enough for everyone to see and the PMs sent to his own people involved with testing, etc. should not count against the ibProArcade script.

Staff, can we get some sort of response to let us know you have some sort of justification behind this?

MrZeropage · #82 12-22-2005, 09:57 AM

This is the information I have:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erwin

Thanks for letting me know. You realise that you may be disqualified from the poll for doing that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrZeropage

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erwin

Just letting you know that sending PMs to members to get them to vote is considered "spam". So please don't do it again.

Thanks for understanding.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrZeropage

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=102998

Thx

Hi there,

I did not spam around, I just picked exactly 17 people, all Beta-Testers from ibProArcade or some few guys I helped setup their Arcade in their forums, and sent them a simple "did you vote already?", nothing more.

Those Receivers where:
[...] removed the 17 names for their privacy, they can be found in the ibPro-Thread [...]

No more PM got sent, and of course I won't send any more!

It was just Paul_M who seems to be a fan of another Hack there who got angry about that reminder, I am sorry.

If I would have PMed all Testers, Developers ect. it would be loads more, but I won't

BTW: Got my last PM ?

Greets,
MrZeropage

and then I got

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris M

Hi Mr Zeropage,

I hope you understand but the staff have come to a decision to remove your hack from the HOTM poll...

While your intentions are not as questionable as previous people, rules are rules, and if we allow your hack to remain in the poll, others who have done similar things in the past may get upset if we allow your hack to continue to be a part of the poll...

This is also to deter future HOTM hack authors from thinking that just politely reminding or asking their friends to vote in the HOTM poll for them is allowed...

If you wish to contest this, please take it up with the Administration here, but like I said the staff have decided that it should be removed...

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news :ermm:

Chris

I asked for any Link to vb.org where I can find that information that any PM, Reminder ect. is forbidden, but got no answer yet.
As stated before other Hack-Authors even emailed around and nothing happened, and you should think about all the other ways to notify people of such a vote: messenger, mail, pm, other forums, chats ect.

Just remember what if now PMs or anything else appear to inform v3arcade-users about the HotM-Vote, would that also remove this Hack ?
I think this is ridiculous, everybody should know on his own what to vote for, the only thing I agree that any kind of Spam has to be kept out of vb.org, but as long nobody is spamming around it should be ok ...

I am now waiting for the Link to the Rule where it says that those PMs for HotM-Votes are forbidden. If there is none, I (and even some more users here I think) ask the Team for the base of their decision ...

rjordan · #83 12-22-2005, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrZeropage

Just remember what if now PMs or anything else appear to inform v3arcade-users about the HotM-Vote, would that also remove this Hack ?
I think this is ridiculous, everybody should know on his own what to vote for, the only thing I agree that any kind of Spam has to be kept out of vb.org, but as long nobody is spamming around it should be ok ...

And not just the arcades, but I would agree that ANY modification that has had unsolicited PMs or e-mails sent should be disqualified. Testers knew they were getting PMs and e-mails. This should not count against them. People make mistakes and having mistyped one username was an honest mistake it seems. Public posts have had comments like "Be sure to vote" and "I voted" throughout the history of Hack of the Month. If we were to disqualify because of this, then that would cancel every winner (I believe) out there.

MrZeropage · #84 12-22-2005, 10:13 AM

Quote:

If we were to disqualify because of this, then that would cancel every winner (I believe) out there.

100% agree !

Oblivion Knight · #85 12-22-2005, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrZeropage

I am now waiting for the Link to the Rule where it says that those PMs for HotM-Votes are forbidden. If there is none, I (and even some more users here I think) ask the Team for the base of their decision ...

You know, now that I've gone looking for one.. I can't find one.

Hmm.. :speechless:

Rickie3 · #86 12-22-2005, 10:22 AM

do you honestly think MrZeropage was vote hunting??????i dont think so,if this was the case dont you think he would have Pm the 380 odd members that downloaded his hack????? asking hey vote for me,this is unbelievable

MissKalunji · #87 12-22-2005, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrZeropage

so this got spread via eMail to (I guess) at least all the 90 people who clicked INSTALL on this Hack.

I just informed 17 people from my Test- and Development-Team and just gave the Link to the vote, saying nothing about what to vote for ect.

I would be ok to look for the votes and reduce those of the 17 votes which were done after my PM (most of them already voted before), but I still see no rule here about this HotM-Votes and also see others are doing much more promotion.
Just think of other ways like Messengers to spread the Link to a HotM-Voting ...

I ask to put back ibProArcade in the voting and I am sure there if you ask those who voted for ibPro they will agree and confirm that they got no single notice, PM or anything like that from me

sucks i didnt get no pm

and i was a beta tester

ah well Dear

your hack still the best....no matter what happens

you still got 380 install!

Jenta · #88 12-22-2005, 11:09 AM

Well I guess googlemap needs to be disqualified also. How about hacks with 3rd party support sites? How do we know what goes on there? Especially in the private forums.

I think this decision should be reversed. We await staff comment.

Sooner95 · #89 12-22-2005, 11:55 AM

Yea, I beta tested it, and didn't get a PM either. So to say he was spamming is ridiculous.

Here's to hoping the Staff here sorts this out correctly.

MrZeropage · #90 12-22-2005, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jenta

I think this decision should be reversed. We await staff comment.

Even if they now reverse, there are currently 14 votes that got added to v3arcade while there was no choice for ibProArcade - nobody knows how many of that 14 would have voted for ibPro, so the whole Voting is somehow unfair now anyway

I should be reset to the point it was before deletion (ibProArcade was 20 votes ahead) or should be deleted at all, that is what I think is fair...

But I think the staff will think about all that

@Sooner95, MissKalunji and other Testers:
As I told before I even did not sent that PM to all Testers, just to few ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jenta

How about hacks with 3rd party support sites? How do we know what goes on there? Especially in the private forums.

Yes, never thought about that - they even can promote their product in small, seperate community while I do only have a single Thread here on vb.org with the Hack itself :surprised:

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