No paid hacks rule

[akanevsky]

Ah.. It was you who said in, rather than Erwin...

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showpost....4&postcount=11

Paid hacks, IMHO, can represent a lot of problems to vb.org and it's members, if endorsed in any way by vb.org. Since the community here cannot see the code and test it, it's bound to have some with security flaws that will go unnoticed. We'll be probably see a lot of disputes from members who didn't receive their goods after paying for it, and a lot of issues with licensing keys and licensing schemes like that one you did for that html manual script.

That's funny.. you are actually repeating what I say, while trying to disprove anything I say at the same time.

Are labels really important to you? Concerning my "html manual script", as you call it, the license key is actually just your personal password which helps you to make sure nobody can access your script except for you. If you look at the PHP code, there are no callbacks or whatsoever... Leave alone the fact that you are doubting my PHP security skills without having even reading any of my codes... Which, therefore, has no reason behind it, unless you just enjoy criticizing others... However, this is in an offtopic, so if you'll excuse me..

[bigcurt]

I thought he was referring to PAID hacks..Why are we still discussing this and why was it even brought up? To ask a business to endorse your money making is not right. You want to make paid hacks fine, do it on other terms...

~Curt

[akanevsky]

I thought he was referring to PAID hacks..Why are we still discussing this and why was it even brought up? To ask a business to endorse your money making is not right. You want to make paid hacks fine, do it on other terms...

What are you talking about?

[tamarian]

That's funny.. you are actually repeating what I say, while trying to disprove anything I say at the same time.

It may be funny to you, I don't know you that well. You are essentially biting the hand that feeds you, by using people's free tools, than accusing them that they don't value their time. It's too low, IMHO.

Originally Posted by Dark Visor

If you look at the PHP code, there are no callbacks or whatsoever...

Why should I pay to look at your code just to check it? For example, Marco today spotted an SQL injection flaw in hack that was uploaded merely an hour or so before, and instantly called the author on it. Making him pay to check for these things is ridiculous.

I do not know you skills, and can neither endorse them or disparage them. But please show some respect to the work of others that you use. If you can't thank them, at least don't insult them.

Many of us here who do release free work get substantial contracts, corporate and otherwise, to do similar work (I got an offer from an Italian corporation to customize my UCCASS survey hack). I wish you the best of luck in making money, and you do not need to insult others in order to make it.

[akanevsky]

I don't know you that well

Precisely! You don't know me that well, but you assume that every possible bad aspect of coding applies to me too.

It may be funny to you, I don't know you that well. You are essentially biting the hand that feeds you, by using people's free tools, than accusing them that they don't value their time. It's too low, IMHO.

vBulletin is not a free tool. And I am not accusing "people" that they do not value their time. I am accusing specifically those who spend year(s) on writing something and then ask nothing in return.

Why should I pay to look at your code just to check it?

I only said that if any one person would look at it, they would see that there is no callback in it. Besides, that one person could cut the callback out, as was mentioned before. I did not that you should or have to do anything.

I do not know you skills, and can neither endorse them or disparage them. But please show some respect to the work of others that you use. If you can't thank them, at least don't insult them.

If you check out my posts, you will find out that I thank people for every hack that I install... Or at least, I say some words of appreciation, like "this is a very nice hack".

I wish you the best of luck in making money

Right now I am not trying to make my money. I started the thread saying that there should be some rule that woud allow posting paid hacks. Just to discuss it.. That got carried away though...

and you do not need to insult others in order to make it.

Whom did I insult?

That was not Erwin who said that, it was yours truely.

Actually, it could not be mine because it goes against everything else I said in this thread... If it is mine, please quote the exact post where I said it. Thanks.

[Dream]

maybe a site that only deals only with paid scripts for vBulletin?...

and custom code requests, paid stuff

mysql finetuning, mod installation, troubleshooting, maintenance

- Paid vBulletin Modifications Advertisement
- Service Requests Advertisement
-- Installation / Custom Modification Installation
-- MySQL Finetuning
-- Troubleshooting
-- Custom Code
- Testimonials

for free, of course

[tamarian]

Originally Posted by Dark Visor

Precisely! You don't know me that well, but you assume that every possible bad aspect of coding applies to me too.

No, just going by what you have posted in this thread so far, nothing personal.

Originally Posted by Dark Visor

vBulletin is not a free tool.

If you are using vBulletin, then you are using a lot of the free hacks posted in this forum, by "some people do not value their time", such as hacks released by Kier, Overgrow, Chen and many others mentioned in vB's credit file. Plus, you probably are using Apache, PHP and MySQL, which value their time more than you could imagine.

Originally Posted by Dark Visor

And I am not accusing "people" that they do not value their time. I am accusing specifically those who spend year(s) on writing something and then ask nothing in return.

Here's what you said:

Originally Posted by Dark Visor

- Some work is worth too much time to do for free. If some people do not value their time - it's their freedom not to value it, but it is also the freedom of others to request payment for it.

[Paul M]

As well as free hacks, you get a lot of free fights here as well. Entertainment while you code - it's great.

[amykhar]

It's always been my position that if this is to be the ultimate vbulletin resource that it needs to advertise the paid hacks - for a fee - as well. Why wouldn't it? It's a win-win situation for Jelsoft, who makes money on the ads and who can control which paid mods are advertised here.

Amy

[The Geek]

Though Im not overly bothered about charging for advertising, I still have to disagree about it in concept.
A- The cost of the advertising simply gets passed onto the customer
B- Most wont bother with the average cost of the scripts being very low to begin with. Charging to advertise a service that enhances Jelsofts product means that the average coder wanting to have the opportunity to recoup some expenditure out of their work would have to turn it into a business.

I think what everyone is against is the concept of people making a business strictly out of making projects for vB and getting advertising for free. I seriously doubt that anyone could really do something like this as:
A- The bulk of all scripts are FOC
B- The bulk of scripts that are not FOC cost very little. Couple in the time to devlop and support, I cant see anyone even making a good full time job from doing vB modifications. If the possability exists - then more power to them.

I personally feel that it would be a big plus to jelsoft to offer a directory of modifications along with their costs and a link to the site for more information (AND maybe a member rating). Charging for the right to be in the directory would undermine the purpose behind it.