screwed over again by a vbulletin.org member?

[T3MEDIA]

Originally Posted by roester

once again, for the second time in as many tries i have deposited money in a paypal account for a "hacker" on this website that said he would do work. of course, now he doesn't respond to emails. it would be nice if you would set up something on this website for feedback for members or a place where "known" hackers can do work for vbulletin customers. we are vbulletin customers and you are allowing "hackers" to screw around with your customers. any suggestions?

I had made a very clear posting about this and had my thead closed!!!! I paid a user on here who had in thier sig they were a vb staff member (to the effect of it) and he uploaded a hacked vb on our servers. Here is my letter I sent back to my ISP

December 15, 2004
Attention:
Sarah J. Finn,
Subject: www.sprnch.com

This letter is just to inform you that I have attempted to contact Howard G Spinks via email and phone with no avail.

I have online www.sprnch.com that uses this software. I had this software installed by a Gary King whom I was under the impression worked for Jelsoft. (xxxxx@rogers.com; xxxxx@rogers.com and xxxx@gmail.com). After installation I paid this person via paypal (xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) I also paid a remainder via bank transfer.

After receiving your notice I had no proof of ownership I then obtained a licence directly from Jelsoft. Payment also by paypal. (xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Info as follows:

vBulletin Owned License (edited) - Branding free option
purchased
Customer Number: (edited)
Customer Password: (edited)
I have spoken to the admin on this website about this issue and received a email from Steve Machol (Customer Support Manager, vBulletin) He said he saw a user by the name “Gary King” on the site that uses this name and he is following up on it.

If you need any more information please contact me.
Sincerely yours,

Now Steve Machol messages me back (KEEP IN MIND VB IS DEMANDING I REMOVE MY SITE) and says he has spoken to Gary King and he has changed his sig and he has locked the thread I posted warring users about him.

I am like... ok THIS GUY is pirating your software.... and you let him stay on? On top of that you hide my post to others?
This was his response (un edited)
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Unread Yesterday, 10:41pm
Steve Machol Steve Machol is offline
vBulletin Team
Support Manager

Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Arizona
Age: 52
Posts: 51,992
Re: Gary King
I have responded properly. You have bought a license and that is the end of the matter. Our 'lawyers' are not threatening you at all.

We are NOT responsible for your problems with a third-party transaction that we did not have any involvemewnt with. Nor are you allowed to use our forums to cary on a campaign against this person or anyone else.

Please respect our decision and the rules of our forum. Thank you.

Any further PMs our communication to me on this issue will not be welcome. I have explained this to you aver and over again and I'm afraid my patience does have limits.

Steve

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This was my response (un edited)
Read what I am about to say clearly.

You last post to me give strong implications you are threating me in some type of manner.

I was advised MANYTIMES to goto vbulleting.org for custom work. BY your staff members. this Gary King guy gave a strong implication that he was a staff member. if he didnt you wouldnt ask him to change anything. I am now getting the impression that if I continue aproaching you on this subject I will be what? Banned? License removed? I have made a copy of this and am awaiting your response.

Your lawyer 100% threatend me legally about this. I was given a DMCA notice.

Dont threaten me about me telling you about pirates that are selling your software on your site.

Then have the gall to try and have my site taken down becuase of it.

I am waiting for your reply.

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Now if this gets closed you know something is going on.
What you guys make of this? I have made a police report as well but I am now getting the impression that the Gary King guy is more connected than we think. I even see on this site he is using other people's code bragging it is his own.

I am at a loss of words.

[T3MEDIA]

Originally Posted by pimpingfools

No one can "screw you" with paypal. Just charge back the amount. When they get a few of those Paypal will close their account for good.

You do not know what your talking about.
He is talking about payments for a service not a product.
Please dont mis inform people.

[T3MEDIA]

I have read the TOS of vbulleting.org and rules on posting....
Now that that is out of the way... this is the original PMs
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Re: Gary King
He removed all advertisements of vB services from his sig as I requested. This is now between you and him. As I explained before we were not a party to any third-party transactions between you two. If you had contacted us prior to paying him, you could have avoided this whole situation. Best of luck.

Steve

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Originally Posted by Steve Machol
I had told Gary that since he actively advertises his vB services in his sig on these forums that he opened himself up to feedback - both good and bad. He has now removed these advertisements and I have removed your thread from public view. He, of course, is making serious claims about you, and I told him that this matter is between the two of you now and we have no standing in this dispute. Good luck.

Best regards,
Steve
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I have reported him to paypal and the police (offence o4652463) the reason you became involved is becuase your lawyers asked me to remove the site he put up for me.) I also dont think that removing what I said is fair. It is almost like your protecting him. That is a very unusual response.

I have full paypal, FTP and emal logs to prove he did this. why would you not let other users know this? In fact you your self state he has this stuff in his signature???? very confused on that one.

[T3MEDIA]

Originally Posted by Brad.loo

I agree with Lesane, let it be known!

I tried to inform users on vbulletin.com and got my thread closed. They aparently dont need to have that kind of thing going on.

[Zachery]

Gary King has never been listed as a staff member on this site or vBulletin.com, his name on vBulletin.com was not purple and did not say vBulletin staff, he also did not have one of our avatars which all staff members have.

Same goes with here, all of the staff here, our names are bold and as on both .com and here on .org the only staff is listed on the show forum leaders page.

Anything you do with a third party is outside of our control which is what happened.

You also dragged up an 18 month old thread.

[T3MEDIA]

Ok you guys glanced over all my jeberish over this right?

here is my original posts BEFORE I even knew what vbulletin.org was. Before I bought the software from Gary King and before I bought the real software from Vbulletin. PLEASE note who is talking to me.

Hit #1:http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showp...5&postcount=20
Hit #2:http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showp...7&postcount=21
Hit #3:http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showp...80&postcount=4

How it started
Hit #1:http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showp...67&postcount=1
Hit #2:http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showt...944#post765944

The post vbulletin REMOVED
http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache...ient=firefox-a

Proof Gary King did my site (now taken down)

Gary's sig when I hired him
http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache...ient=firefox-a
Garys sig now
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/member.php?u=29846


and keep in mind Floris in this thread (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89197) says:
- Inform yourself and Jelsoft
All license and sales questions are done through sales@vBulletin.com. Don't be shy in asking for help or advice, or in reporting suspicious actions. It would be a shame to help others with their piracy, it would be a shame to help Jelsoft lose money, and it would be a shame to find out you have been ripped off, and worst of all, it would be a shame for the pirates to get off scot-free at your expense.

[T3MEDIA]

Originally Posted by Zachery

You also dragged up an 18 month old thread.

So?
You told me to come here to find a vbulletin "hacker"
Your point Zachery?

[Zachery]

Originally Posted by T3MEDIA

So?
You told me to come here to find a vbulletin "hacker"
Your point Zachery?

Yes we told you to lookhere for customizations not purchasing a license.

[T3MEDIA]

Originally Posted by Zachery

Gary King has never been listed as a staff member on this site or vBulletin.com, his name on vBulletin.com was not purple and did not say vBulletin staff, he also did not have one of our avatars which all staff members have.

Same goes with here, all of the staff here, our names are bold and as on both .com and here on .org the only staff is listed on the show forum leaders page.

Anything you do with a third party is outside of our control which is what happened.

You also dragged up an 18 month old thread.

Let me be clear. You set up a site. vbulletin.com
Then you tell customers to goto vbulletin.org for cutom code.
vbulletin.com owns vbulletin.org

I find a user on both sites that is a member and says he is a pro at what he does.

this is after you refer me.

the user give me illegal stuff.
the user scams me of money

I report it to vbulletin.com
you remove it
I get mild hints to stop talking about it.
you say here (erwin) to post what happens

and you now say this is old? you now say "Anything you do with a third party is outside of our control which is what happened."

This seems to me to be full control by you and your staff.

other NON vb users am I right here? WHAT is going on with the wishy washy illegal support here? I have PROFF. FTP logs IP's MSN logs PAYPAL email transfers, managers at my bank. my ISP, YOUR LAWYERS.

what the ++++ is going on?

you know what? Let me start my Acrobat Now... I smell some money.

[T3MEDIA]

Originally Posted by Zachery

Yes we told you to lookhere for customizations not purchasing a license.

HOW CAN I GET A CUSTOMIZATION with out a LICENCE? How can I even "look" here with out a license??????

Maybe you know a few people that can help me out in this department since you told me to come here in the first place.