What can we do to make vBulletin.org a better place?

[Xenon]

well you should think of another point hyperdave:
Most of the hacks are written to work on the board the hack writers own, just for them.

So if they also post them here so some other can perhaps use it, then it's good, if they provide support for their hacks, it's better.
But we cannot force em to do so, because then some can say: ok i won't post a hack anymore just because i don't have the time to give support.

2 cents here

...Hack review system sounds really good for me

[tubedogg]

We are not going to force people to provide support for their hacks. First, we simply don't have the manpower to do it, and second, some people won't post hacks if they are required to provide support. If you are not going to provide support, it must be stated up front (as I think is in the Full Releases rules). That's why the community in general needs to help each other, so if someone doesn't want to provide support, others help those who need help with the hack.

[Erwin]

Some hacks are so simple that the hack releaser may state explicitly that he or she will not be supporting it. If you don't like it, then the advice would be to not install the hack at all. Also, most hack releasers here have day jobs, and have busy lives, and cannot afford to come daily to this site to support their hacks. Especially when most of the time, it's the installer who has made a silly error by forgetting a } to cause a parse error or something like that.

Hack reviews would be great. I also agree that all hacks should probably be released as beta first, and be moved to full release by a mod once it is obvious that it works.

[hypedave]

Originally posted by tubedogg
We are not going to force people to provide support for their hacks.

Did I say to Force people to provide support?

QUOTE]Originally posted by tubedogg
First, we simply don't have the manpower [/QUOTE]
If you don't have the man power then why not just ask, im sure there are alot of capable people of helping.

Originally posted by tubedogg
some people won't post hacks if they are required to provide support.

I could take the comment and stretch a thousand miles, but at least they could follow rule #5 right?

Originally posted by tubedogg
If you are not going to provide support, it must be stated up front (as I think is in the Full Releases rules).

And how many hacks have been released where rule number 5 was some how over looked?

Originally posted by tubedogg
That's why the community in general needs to help each other, so if someone doesn't want to provide support, others help those who need help with the hack.

I agree and I know its not a easy job to take time and support someone elses hack. But I think it becomes a problem when someone steps in to help support someones else's hack then get flammed at by the original person the wrote hack, simply for helping someone out. I mean hey obviously im not getting anywhere with this but I do believe you asked the question " What can we do to make vBulletin.org a better place? " sorry I took time to stand up for the user's who dont want to voice their opinions.

[hypedave]

Originally posted by Erwin
Some hacks are so simple that the hack releaser may state explicitly that he or she will not be supporting it.

I agree but thats way hacks should aslo be rated by the level of knowledge it takes to intall. for example

Beginner = A Beginner can install this hack

you get the point right ?

Originally posted by Erwin
If you don't like it, then the advice would be to not install the hack at all.

by some of these hack descriptions these days it hard to tell wether you will like it or not?

Originally posted by Erwin
Also, most hack releasers here have day jobs, and have busy lives, and cannot afford to come daily to this site to support their hacks. Especially when most of the time, it's the installer who has made a silly error by forgetting a } to cause a parse error or something like that.

Thats very understandable cause believe me when I start to learn and release my first major hack I may log on every other day to provide support. but I would clearly state that in the first post as well, don't wanna do like some people and release a hack and break rule 5 do I

[Admin]

Originally posted by Neo
I will have to say very little but I think the Release forum should be more modded. I have seen hacks posted that dont even have hacks in them and so on. This place is good but sometimes I come here and go.. what to do what to do. I personally think a clan system would be cool. Give a chance for hackers to start clans (after being accepted) and have hack offs

Once vBulletin 3 is released this will be much more feasible, and who knows, we might even use that new system.

As for the releases forum, we've had an idea to moderate it a while ago, but it was dropped because we felt we have enough man power to moderate in an after-post manner. We'll see.

[Admin]

Originally posted by Xenon
yes that's an important point.
i think vb3 discussions should be here, too. also posts of the developers about more hacking relevant infos like the new permission system so the hacker here can diskuss in more details here with the devs and other fellow hackers.

Good idea, we might add a vBulletin 3 forum here soon!

[Xenon]

ahh sounds good
[high]* Xenon hopes to get new hacking relevant infos about vb3 soon
[/high]

hmm, i have another suggestion, not sure if it's a good idea or not:
don't allow users to download a hack before they have clicked on install.

[Goldknight]

I agree with Hypedave about hack support. That s why I admire Lesane, g-force2k2, and several hackers who provide support most of time. I have been visit here less and less due to hackers' attitudes. Sitepointforums.com have better attitude and ethical staffs and members, I like how they treat others and help others if need instead of "I have my own hack and I refuse to share with you muhahaha" or complain about someone steal others' ideas. More I visit here, more I back off. Also if I release the hack and I will support it until my computer die on me or I die either way. It is ethical and professional attitude for anyone to do that. If one corporate release the new digital TV and refuse to support it, do you think that it will stay up in the market? People are not stupid, they need the support, if they get support then whoever release will get some applauses or pat on the back. It is not that hard... It is good practice for anyone...

As for Regs, he/she have good point. I know that this board have potential and could be better than UBB. *shrug*

Neo's suggestion about "heavy modded" I agree one hundred percent with him about these, I have seen many unnessecary flames, complains and many things at release forum.

No offense to any of staffs at here, I admire their works and dedication but unfortunately that more than half staffs here are inactive... I check thur these staffs' profile for "last post by" or numbers of posts... that one I think need to straight out and deal with it. We have over 20,000 members now, it will be nice to have many active staffs to keep them in the line as what Sitepointforums.com staffs did. There is a unwritten rule on the stone that staffs are suppose to be more active than members does. *shrug* I hope I ll not flame by others about this, I only speak my mind and nothing more.

[tubedogg]

First, the staff here has no control over what users do until after the fact. I'm not sure what you mean by implying the staff here is unethical, but I don't appreciate it as I'm sure the rest of the staff don't.

The number of posts made by a staff member is not an indication of their activity as a moderator. We do plan to do some weeding but many moderators do actually do work without posting.