More staff leave vB....

[TNCclubman]

no one leaves on mass like that as a coincidence.

[UKBusinessLive]

Originally Posted by TNCclubman

no one leaves on mass like that as a coincidence.

But you said earlier on, if they have 30 top coders and 4 leave, its nothing.........

I think people need to stop worrying and try and give the new guys a chance

All is not lost!! Believe me

[KTBleeding]

I don't think it's the end of vB. At all. vB is a very widely used product, and even though I have my many quirks with why 3.8 STILL has a messy table based layout, the coding and team work behind vB has always been solid.

I do think something is stirring up though. The drama of the leaked vB4 threads, and now several people up and leaving at once? Something smells fishy, no matter what.

I'm not going to speculate, because it could be a number of reasons. However, all of them leaving at once tells me that there is a lot more going on than just coincidence. And correct me if I'm wrong, but up and leaving your career like that, I'm sure it takes a LOT to get to that point. I'm completely miserable at my job.. i feel like I'm the only one who even cares about quality, and I am the only person who gets work done in a nice timely manner.. I'm stuck with dated designs and dated programmers because no one will move forward and progress WITH me.. And yet I'm still here, and I couldn't tell you why.

To actually LEAVE? Pack your bags and leave? And not just you, you and several co-workers? Something has got to be going down.

[UKBusinessLive]

Might sound strange , and i suppose it sounds a bit odd, but it does happen, The 5 guys that left my place, 1 went to New zealand, One left because his wife had Cancer and the other 3 left because they had new jobs, But as we have over 40 employee's we don't let it worry us.

You'd be supprised why folk leave their jobs, Perhaps they didn't meet their set targets?? Perhaps VB wanted more and they couldn't produce what was required?? Perhaps for personal or private reasons, Perhaps they painted the room blue and they wanted black?? Who knows??

Good Luck to the Guys, let not make this into something thats its not guys

[Shelley_c]

You seem prity sure that the reasons they gave for leaving are the absolute truth UK? Im not saying they are and I'm not saying they are not. I am 99% the reason given isn't the reason why they left though. But what makes you think that the reasons kier and co gave was infact the reason?

Let's say for arguments sake that they left because of pay issues or other grievances. Would they have stated those reasons in the announcements? Now I'm betting they wouldn't have. The I'm leaving leaving for better career opportunities is a great way to leave quietly and swiftly.

Anyway. It's not a concern for people that they left, they just don't believe that the reasons they gave is the reason. As a member of the staff you have to believe that and won't say anything different (not that it's a bad thing) but I guess I'm saying that people that have been around vbulletin for these many years know when something isn't right and suspect. They have a little more intelligence than that.

anyway, either way I'm not concerned. I'm sure the new recruits will do their job just as effectively as the last lot.

[UKBusinessLive]

Originally Posted by Shelley_c

You seem prity sure that the reasons they gave for leaving are the absolute truth UK? Im not saying they are and I'm not saying they are not. I am 99% the reason given isn't the reason why they left though. But what makes you think that the reasons kier and co gave was infact the reason?

Let's say for arguments sake that they left because of pay issues or other grievances. Would they have stated those reasons in the announcements? Now I'm betting they wouldn't have. The I'm leaving leaving for better career opportunities is a great way to leave quietly and swiftly.

Anyway. It's not a concern for people that they left, they just don't believe that the reasons they gave is the reason. As a member of the staff you have to believe that and won't say anything different (not that it's a bad thing) but I guess I'm saying that people that have been around vbulletin for these many years know when something isn't right and suspect. They have a little more intelligence than that.

anyway, either way I'm not concerned. I'm sure the new recruits will do their job just as effectively as the last lot.

Shelley i'm not saying anything of the reasons they left, only giving options, I don't think anyones really knows the real reasons they left and it would appear rude to speculate.

All i've seen in this thread is that 4 guys have left VB and all hell has broken out. Why can't people say something positive for a change.

All i'm saying is that folk need to calm down on the theory that something drastic has happened, it hasn't as far as i'm aware.

lets try and not make something so simple, so over complicated

Whatever Reason they've given for their departure is purely confidential between VB and themselves, I can't see why it would be anyones elses business apart from their own.

[Adrian Schneider]

It's a big deal.

I have mixed feelings about it. When that many people leave a small company, the software and the community will never be the same.

[Shelley_c]

I wouldn't say it's rude Uk. People have the right to be concerned (I'm not one of them) but it's well within their rights as customers who some have purchased scores of licenses. Unless speculation is now being branded as rude then by all means let's stop discussing right now.

But I agree, the staff have their reasons (and entitled to their privacy) but the subject I expect is the future of vbulletin that some members are concerned about. We can both agree that they have a right to discuss a matter close to them. Regardless of that.... I'm not fussed either way. I think I may have said that already.

[BamaStangGuy]

Since I have been PermaBanned on vBulletin.com because they didn't like my opinion on Internet Brands I guess I'll have to post over here.

Internet Brands is ruining vBulletin. There are so many reasons to avoid using vBulletin due to Internet Brands, ESPECIALLY if you make a living off of running forums like I do or just care about the company you are purchasing software not having a ridiculous advantage to suppress your forum.

I'll be damned if I am going to purchase a forum software from Internet Brands when they are out there buying up my competition. I'm not going to suggest features, provide feedback and fund Internet Brands so that they can better position themselves to compete against me.

I do not trust Internet Brands to put vBulletin and it's customers before themselves and the forums they own.

Internet Brands cares about one thing: Making money. They make their money via forums and now that they own vBulletin they have inside access to tailor vBulletin to their needs and not the majority of vBulletin customers.

It was made very obvious that money was their only objective when they rushed in that last minute feature for vBulletin 3.8. You know that Google Adsense integration that made them money for every new person that signed up for Adsense.

Give me a break. That isn't a useful feature.

Internet Brands has now ran off the majority of the old staff.

I will not buy one more vBulletin license while Internet Brands is in charge of vBulletin. I'd rather take my experience with running forums to another forum software and become a contributor to someone who actually cares about the software and not tailoring it for the needs of their sites so they can improve their stock price.

I'm just waiting for Ray Morgan to come over here and start ruining vBulletins excellent mod community now. Sadly, I have too much money and time into my biggest site so changing to another forum software is not an option.

[Brandon Sheley]

Originally Posted by BamaStangGuy

Since I have been PermaBanned on vBulletin.com because they didn't like my opinion on Internet Brands I guess I'll have to post over here.

Internet Brands is ruining vBulletin. There are so many reasons to avoid using vBulletin due to Internet Brands, ESPECIALLY if you make a living off of running forums like I do or just care about the company you are purchasing software not having a ridiculous advantage to suppress your forum.

I'll be damned if I am going to purchase a forum software from Internet Brands when they are out there buying up my competition. I'm not going to suggest features, provide feedback and fund Internet Brands so that they can better position themselves to compete against me.

I do not trust Internet Brands to put vBulletin and it's customers before themselves and the forums they own.

Internet Brands cares about one thing: Making money. They make their money via forums and now that they own vBulletin they have inside access to tailor vBulletin to their needs and not the majority of vBulletin customers.

It was made very obvious that money was their only objective when they rushed in that last minute feature for vBulletin 3.8. You know that Google Adsense integration that made them money for every new person that signed up for Adsense.

Give me a break. That isn't a useful feature.

Internet Brands has now ran off the majority of the old staff.

I will not buy one more vBulletin license while Internet Brands is in charge of vBulletin. I'd rather take my experience with running forums to another forum software and become a contributor to someone who actually cares about the software and not tailoring it for the needs of their sites so they can improve their stock price.

I'm just waiting for Ray Morgan to come over here and start ruining vBulletins excellent mod community now. Sadly, I have too much money and time into my biggest site so changing to another forum software is not an option.

I generally agree with everything you said
and the adsense thing is a joke, I've yet to suggest to a client to use their built in feature.