vbDrupal vs. vbAdvanced vs. vbPortal vs. Joomla

[mccollin]

My site gets about 500K uniques a month and I understand your concern. One thing I did to help with congestion was to split my ad server (OpenAds) off onto its own server, and that helped tremendously. So... one server for vBulletin and one for OpenAds.

If you are on the same server, I'm not sure how it would benefit you to redirect people to the forum's main page if the server is overloaded, because the forum index page will be a load too, right? vBulletin has a setting in the config to let you specify a server load level after which users will be told that the server is busy, and to try later. So, any of the products that really sit on vBulletin should be able to use that. I can speak to vBadvanced because thats what I currently use. It is a plug-in to vBulletin, so it uses the same overload tool. I would expect vbPortal to use the same one. I haven't tried vbPortal in several years, but it was pretty "heavy" back then, so I wouldn't recommend it. I think it is also a dead project and hasn't been updated in a long time.

vbDrupal has configuration settings to help with overloading, although I've not tried them. They call it their "Throttle" tool. It lets you automatically scale some things down, and you can do it by user group... so that registered users don't get throttled the same as anonymous users... a nice feature.

I don't know about Joomla, but I would expect them to have similar capabilities.

If you expect a heavy load, you may want to put your CMS on a different server than vBulletin. I am not positive if this can easily be done with vbDrupal because it uses the same database. There are a couple of other vBulletin to Drupal hooks that do it differently and may work better with dual servers.

[m002.p]

Your original statement was that vBadvanced was the "only" one in the list of four "worthy" of being called a CMS.

Better get some specs then mate as you are way off as I changed CMS to CMPS, and yes Vba is the only CMPs hence my statement. Now if your off topic reply wasnt enough, that certainly was enough to make me laugh

It amazes me that people come to forums to supposedly discuss things and learn, and when someone corrects a statement, they get accused of being "off topic" and laughed at. Based on the following replies to mine, there is confusion on the term CMS and so there was value in my reply. This is how people learn... by sharing their views on something.

Im all for people learning from forums especially this forum, but im not for members who think they know it all and take one statement as offensive as the person was wrong and "they know better". Even if I didnt know CMS was or wasnt, I thought your reply was quite offensive to those who cant help the fact they are all not web coders like myself or you. People on my forum dont know what PHP code is or the difference from HTML etc, but I dont go about it in a negative way as if they "should know". That, that is not learning. My point is, there is a way about giving feedback like that.

So in the future, you may want to change your tone when writing as you never know who you are speaking to and what they do / know

[SEOvB]

Originally Posted by Michael Morris

One of the main reasons vJoomla uses vbulletin to control session authentication.

Still, as of version 1.0.12 Joomla has no known security issues that I know of. Care to cite any, or are you simply spreading F.U.D. for the fun of it?

from http://vjoomla.com

Originally Posted by vJoomla

Greetings. This morning an exploit was discovered that has been used to attack this server. The vJoomla modification has been withdrawn until the nature of the attack can be ascertained and the rest of the server can be analyzed and upgraded as necessary to prevent further abuse.

Irony building.

[RC CHOP]

The security flaw was found in the plugin, not joomla or vbulletin itself. They way they wrote the bridge opened up some nasty little holes that could potentially corrupt the site if exploited. I too am currently looking at a way to "bridge" my vbulletin and joomla. What I am trying to accomplish is a matching theme and also having user permissions across the site. So basically I either need joomla to pass the vb info over or have Joomla preload the vb session info. Matching up the theme will take some work in changing the navbar/header area to load the joomla header (trying to get away from the wrapper as it sometimes invokes scrollbars, bleh). That will be the trick. Once things are loaded up from vbulletin, I could potentially load up content based on eser/usergroup permissions.

My goal is to have a fluid site navigation much like this one Xbox Live Nation. Some of you may recognize who runs that site.

Anyone got any tips.? Currently running vbulletin 3.6.8PL2 and Joomla! 1.0.13 (considering leaping to the 1.5RC3 of Joomla!)

P.S. My site (which is a mess at the moment) is HERE.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Please post in one of the coding support questions. This is not something that can be answered in a Pre-Sales thread.

[henrikhansen]

Originally Posted by mccollin

But with vbDrupal, you gain a world of capability because you can build just about anything with it and have to write very little code to do it.

I have installed vbdrupal recently and is very, very impressed.
Drupal is the best and most flexible CMS out there and has won several prices recently for best CMS.

If you can think it, you can do it in Drupal.

Vbadvanced cmps is also great, but you cannot have several users posting content in vba cmps, editing each others content, giving other users right to edit own content, ect.

[HALF MOON]

vBadvanced CMPS ^_*

[gforce75]

vbadvanced is the way to go. Makes my site awesome

[scotsmist]

Originally Posted by mccollin

.....I can speak to vBadvanced because thats what I currently use. It is a plug-in to vBulletin, so it uses the same overload tool. I would expect vbPortal to use the same one. I haven't tried vbPortal in several years, but it was pretty "heavy" back then, so I wouldn't recommend it. I think it is also a dead project and hasn't been updated in a long time.....

Just posting to mention, since this statement is incorrect, that vbPortal is not a dead project and is updated almost every time vBulletin release an update.

Originally Posted by scruff2

Interesting discussion to say the least.

I don't care that much about CMS vs Portal, but something all seem to lack is a "bypass flow valve" in case of huge traffic.

I run a webbsite with 225,000 members and they will flow on occasion to the site by the 1000s, bottlenecking and bringing the site to a crawl.

I'd need a portal/cms front end, that shuts down and redirects to the forums main page when SERVER loads defined are exceeded, then resumes itself without redirection once things calm down again.

Do any of these products do this?

It would be a simple file edit to redirect to the forum when the load is too high, rather than display the usual splash screen that the server load is too high.

I use vBAdvanced, and the only real gripe with it is that every vBA site, mine included, looks pretty much the same (with a couple of exceptions of course, like this site).

It the freakin' tables that kill me. Tables, tables, tables, blocks, blocks, blocks. Big center blocks, small side blocks, same nav, same options, etc, etc. I've redesigned my portal a dozen times and it still looks just like every other vBA site out there, and it's far and away my least favorite part of my site. One of these days I'll break down and just hand code a proper one, but for ease of use my vote goes to vBA as well - even if it's overused and generic now.

My .2c of course, fwiw.