Where vB is going wrong

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by hiiped

look at this persons attitude HR3rdGen
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?p=879085

The fact that we can still read that thread sums up the problem - I can't believe that no action was taken on those posts, I would have removed the posts, and/or severely warned the poster. Just no need for such ignorance, esp in such large bold letters.

problems with such posts is that the moderators here are not numerous enough to make follow ups on bad-attitude members, and they can't ban only for a single sentence that was stupid or so...

this is a community for supporting and sharing... maybe some guys think they can play like on a off topic forum, and i hate that myself... they all forget that we're here for fun, not for fight.

EDIT:

i have a point about why this site have problems actually: the main goal of this community was to share codes and hacks... but as the members count grown, the sharing was transformed in support and had a "branch-like" of a friendship community...

this is not a code-repository anymore, and by that, we have to face other kinds of discussions, other languages with sometimes a lot of differences in the education of the participants...

[Mark.B]

Originally Posted by Paul M

There's also a simple reason many authors no longer support 3.0 hacks as well - they have upgraded to 3.5 - so no longer have a 3.0 forum.

I agree....I have no issue with that. The problem is that many of the hacks haven't been ported.

Yours all have - for which I am eternally grateful. But there are many that haven't and one is met with derision when requesting them.

Originally Posted by TruthElixirX

Also if someone wants to port a 3.0 hack to 3.5 we have to get permission fro mthe original author, and if the original author cannot be found then we are not allowed to. I fidn that ridiculous. There needs to be something coders agree to when they release their hacks here that say "if I mysteriously leave and someone wants to port my hack to a new version they can". I ported a hack that had like 30 installs. It is a nice hack; but I can't release it because the original owner just disappeared.

This issue *urgently* needs sorted, so that people like me can perform our upgrade without losing dozens of features.

[smacklan]

Originally Posted by hiiped

look at this persons attitude HR3rdGen
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?p=879085

started here
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=82930 post #458 and on

can we say ignorance ?

some may not have said anything about/against him simply because they want his myspace profile layout, but this is the type of poster that may have prompted this type of topic discussion



my 2 cents

Wow...and he purports to be a Christian...yeh.

My two cents and it's not meant to offend or anything, but not much in life is free...why not learn to code and port things on your own...that's what I did and I'm no genius by any means.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Originally Posted by nexialys

i have a point about why this site have problems actually: the main goal of this community was to share codes and hacks... but as the members count grown, the sharing was transformed in support and had a "branch-like" of a friendship community...

this is not a code-repository anymore, and by that, we have to face other kinds of discussions, other languages with sometimes a lot of differences in the education of the participants...

Now that gets very close to the main reason for a lot of attitude problems around here lately in my opinion.

[Mark.B]

Originally Posted by smacklan

Wow...and he purports to be a Christian...yeh.

My two cents and it's not meant to offend or anything, but not much in life is free...why not learn to code and port things on your own...that's what I did and I'm no genius by any means.

I've learned as much as I physically can. I have to work for a living and I don't have the time to learn everything I'd need to know. Running my forum takes several hours a day as it is. There just isn't enough time.

Here's another good example:

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showpost....79&postcount=2

Is there really any need for all that crap about ignore lists?

What the hell is happening to this place?

[Talisman]

I saved the following quoted text from a group management forum some six years ago, or so... Back then, we all managed a maillist... but as you can see, the same dynamics hold true for our online forum communities today.

I always thought it was helpful for new admins/mods to be aware how groups continue to evolve and change over time. So I always kept this with a few other resources for new staff members to read through.

What's described as a problem stage for long-running communities seems to apply to us here, as well.

Every list seems to go through the same cycle:

1. Initial enthusiasm (people introduce themselves, and gush a lot about how wonderful it is to find kindred souls).

2. Evangelism (people moan about how few folks are posting to the list, and brainstorm recruitment strategies).

3. Growth (more and more people join, more and more lengthy threads develop, occasional off-topic threads pop up).

4. Community (lots of threads, some more relevant than others; lots of information and advice is exchanged; experts help other experts as well as less experienced colleagues; friendships develop; people tease each other; newcomers are welcomed with generosity and patience; everyone -- newbie and expert alike -- feels comfortable asking questions, suggesting answers, and sharing opinions).

5. Discomfort with diversity (the number of messages increases dramatically; not every thread is fascinating to every reader; people start complaining about the signal-to-noise ratio; person 1 threatens to quit if *other* people don't limit discussion to person 1's pet topic; person 2 agrees with person 1; person 3 tells 1 & 2 to lighten up; more bandwidth is wasted complaining about off-topic threads than is used for the threads themselves; everyone gets annoyed).

6. Finally:

6(a). Smug complacency and stagnation (the purists flame everyone who asks an 'old' question or responds with humor to a serious post; newbies are rebuffed; traffic drops to a doze-producing level of a few minor issues; all interesting discussions happen by private email and are limited to a few participants; the purists spend lots of time self-righteously congratulating each other on keeping off-topic threads off the list).

OR

6(b). Maturity (a few people quit in a huff; the rest of the participants stay near stage 4, with stage 5 popping up briefly every few weeks; many people wear out their second or third 'delete' key, but the list lives contentedly ever after).

LOL.. Psionic's banlist grow day by day... each time someone make fun of that thread actually.. lol (i suppose Mark.B is now in.. lol)

and yes, offending posts by coders that are bored of answering questions have to be dropped... i think that if a coder is bored of answering questions does NOT have to release a thing... this is not a coder's community, but a place to share... on all levels.

[Mark.B]

Originally Posted by nexialys

LOL.. Psionic's banlist grow day by day... each time someone make fun of that thread actually.. lol (i suppose Mark.B is now in.. lol)

and yes, offending posts by coders that are bored of answering questions have to be dropped... i think that if a coder is bored of answering questions does NOT have to release a thing... this is not a coder's community, but a place to share... on all levels.

Quite right...nothing against Psionic, but I neither know nor care whether he has me on ignore, since with an attitude like he has, I wouldn't install his hack anyhow.

I currently use vBStatistik, forgot the author but he hasn't ported it to 3.5...never mind.

... using the hacks from someone that have a bad attitude is not wrong, not-using it for the attitude IS wrong... these codes are made to be available, support given or not...

i don't support my hacks anymore, due to the fact that i'm a father at home... i can't code and hug my kids at the same time...

but when people are asking for support and the guy released a code and is giving support, answering with a frustrated attitude is never good, because it gives a bad idea of the entire community, AND give a bad image of the product itself...